Star Trek Continues and Farragut Films part ways

[RCAM]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

Absolutely agree.

Speaking for myself: all that matters is that they're close enough to sell the illusion. For me, both productions accomplish that with their sets. It seems (again, speaking for myself) really petty and unnecessary for a producer to go out of his way to comment in an acerbic tone on his peer's insignificant set variances.

To both Continues and Phase II: I don't care about the doors. Give me a good script with good acting.

 

[Maurice]

It's also unnecessary to claim how accurate the measurements on your sets are in the first place, because who cares.

 

[feek61]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

Absolutely agree.

Speaking for myself: all that matters is that they're close enough to sell the illusion. For me, both productions accomplish that with their sets. It seems (again, speaking for myself) really petty and unnecessary for a producer to go out of his way to comment in an acerbic tone on his peer's insignificant set variances.

To both Continues and Phase II: I don't care about the doors. Give me a good script with good acting.

It's also unnecessary to claim how accurate the measurements on your sets are in the first place, because who cares.

Well, of course story is first; that obviously is the most important part of the puzzle. Honestly, for me set accuracy is not a competition and I don't care what anyone else is doing; I only care what I'M doing. What IS important for me is that the sets that I work on are as accurate as I can make them. A majority of the STC sets were inherited but I know the sets I did and those portions that I worked on are as accurate as I can make them and I have put uncounted hours into doing the research myself to make sure they are. Part of the fun for me is to try to achieve hyper accuracy on a level that only a few people appreciate. I DO realize that most don't care. The point is that I care and that's what matters to me. Also, I believe it is in poor taste to criticize other productions and for me it is hard to respect someone who feels it's necessary to do such. It's unfortunate and disappointing that the fan film community can't operate at a level of professionalism and professional courtesy.

 

[Firebird]

Part of the fun for me is to try to achieve hyper accuracy on a level that only a few people appreciate. I DO realize that most don't care. The point is that I care and that's what matters to me.

That reminds me of something that happened when Orson Welles was starring in some picture for 20th Century Fox in the late 40's & asked to have a mink lining put into one of his costumes. The studio came back and told him no because it wouldn't be seen on camera and who would know? "I'm going to know," he responded. Granted, he was partially doing that so he could use the outfit for his production of Othello, but the sentiment applies, all the same.

 

[SeerSGB]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. Just get out your framing squares and have a set measuring contest and get it over with.

 

[jamesmc]

Feek,
I am not attacking you or criticizing your work. In fact I said in my post I was not trying to be a dick. It is a fact I hate the internet and posting because you can't really get a sense of someones intent from the written word of a post. I myself care about my work and assumed you did as well, which is my only reason for pointing out any possible inaccuracy. Like model makers we care about what we do! Best to you always.

 

[urbandefault]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

It's also unnecessary to claim how accurate the measurements on your sets are in the first place, because who cares.

+1. Most people would never know the difference.

I'd rather see sets that are Damn Near Close™ and have a great story and great acting, than to see perfect sets and so-so story and acting.

 

[YJAGG]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

It's also unnecessary to claim how accurate the measurements on your sets are in the first place, because who cares.

+1. Most people would never know the difference.

I'd rather see sets that are Damn Near Close™ and have a great story and great acting, than to see perfect sets and so-so story and acting.

I have to agree, if the story is good and the acting is decent, I can forgive a less than perfect set or costume.

 

[feek61]

Sorry if the sets have out-shined the story and acting!!! lol

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Good point! Stop fixing things!

 

[Warped9]

I'm a diehard TOS fan and I can be a stickler for detail. It's no secret I can be pretty demanding in what I think works and doesn't work for Trek. Yet while I have noticed some things looking a bit off in the STC episodes none of it was enough to distract me from the story. This is simply a case of getting so much else right that I find it easy to overlook some minor inconsistencies.

 

[Karzak]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

I just finished commenting on this in the other thread. I completely agree with you.

 

[Danlav05]

REALITY CHECK: 99.9% of potential audiences don't care if you have a wrinkle in the upholstery, or if your doorways are the right height. Its fine if y'all are obsessed about this level of accuracy, but it doesn't matter to almost anyone else.

It's also unnecessary to claim how accurate the measurements on your sets are in the first place, because who cares.

+1. Most people would never know the difference.

I'd rather see sets that are Damn Near Close™ and have a great story and great acting, than to see perfect sets and so-so story and acting.

I have to agree, if the story is good and the acting is decent, I can forgive a less than perfect set or costume.

Absolutely - I have no time for purist oneupmanship

 

[YJAGG]

+1. Most people would never know the difference.

I'd rather see sets that are Damn Near Close™ and have a great story and great acting, than to see perfect sets and so-so story and acting.

I have to agree, if the story is good and the acting is decent, I can forgive a less than perfect set or costume.

Absolutely - I have no time for purist oneupmanship

First off the show had contradictions galore, they reused props and if watch the show on a really good high def tv you can see how crappy the sets were, so again if you want to make a really snazzy set goto, but if you feel that is what is driving success, I would have to disagree

 

[Barbreader]

First off the show had contradictions galore, they reused props and if watch the show on a really good high def tv you can see how crappy the sets were, so again if you want to make a really snazzy set goto, but if you feel that is what is driving success, I would have to disagree

YJAGG, which "they" are you referring to?

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

First off the show had contradictions galore, they reused props and if watch the show on a really good high def tv you can see how crappy the sets were, so again if you want to make a really snazzy set goto, but if you feel that is what is driving success, I would have to disagree

YJAGG, which "they" are you referring to?

I read that as TOS in general.

 

[YJAGG]

First off the show had contradictions galore, they reused props and if watch the show on a really good high def tv you can see how crappy the sets were, so again if you want to make a really snazzy set goto, but if you feel that is what is driving success, I would have to disagree

YJAGG, which "they" are you referring to?

I read that as TOS in general.

yes, I am using a general term, for any fan production. I will say that having cardboard box sets and red, blue and yellow tee shirts can be distracting, but I understand budget constraints and the creative vision need to be balanced. In college I was a costumer as my theater production requirements and I agonize on my making my red shirt, and I look at the costumes and say great job, but I feel that using Rubies Star Trek costumes are fine if that is all you have, and will not dismiss the show because of it.

I am in awe of the production quality of ST P2, Continues, Farragut, Exeter and anyone else I may fail to mention),that have made such a great effort, but for me it is the story then the acting, the production value.

How many big budget movies with professional actors still fall flat at the box office.

 

[Warped9]

How many big budget movies with professional actors still fall flat at the box office.

This is key and a large part of why I'm so impressed with STC and others. If you can draw me into the story and make me care then it's a huge win. I've seen plaenty of big budget films that bored me to tears and simply turned me off because I couldn't care no matter how glossy the production.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Absolutely. Still, I completely understand a set designer, costume designer, makeup artist, etc., taking pride in their work and doing their best not to make their particular aspects of the show stick out like sore thumbs.

 

[Maurice]

The script is where most fanfilms fall down. Even the few top tier ones usually have some script issues which hamper them despite all the other talent put in.