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TMP: Enterprise against a bigger and more powerful ship
TWOK: Enterprise against a smaller ship and gets it's ass kicked.
TSFS: Enterprise against smaller ship and gets destroyed
TVH: No Enterprise
TFF: Enterprise held at a stalemate against a smaller ship, also carpet on the bridge!
TUC: Enterprise no match for smaller ship. Excelsior helps.
GEN: Enterprise destroyed by smaller ship.
FC: Enterprise taken over by Borg.
INS: Enterprise flown by joystick.
NEM: Enterprise against a bigger and more powerful ship.
ST09: Enterprise against bigger and more powerful ship.
STID: Enterprise against bigger and more powerful ship.
Not once has the Enterprise ever been portrayed as "the best in the fleet". If it were, it would make for a short and dull movie...what without all the drama and all.
TMP: Enterprise against a bigger and more powerful ship
TWOK: Enterprise against a smaller ship and gets it's ass kicked.
TSFS: Enterprise against smaller ship and gets destroyed
TVH: No Enterprise
TFF: Enterprise held at a stalemate against a smaller ship, also carpet on the bridge!
TUC: Enterprise no match for smaller ship. Excelsior helps.
GEN: Enterprise destroyed by smaller ship.
FC: Enterprise taken over by Borg.
INS: Enterprise flown by joystick.
NEM: Enterprise against a bigger and more powerful ship.
ST09: Enterprise against bigger and more powerful ship.
STID: Enterprise against bigger and more powerful ship.
Not once has the Enterprise ever been portrayed as "the best in the fleet". If it were, it would make for a short and dull movie...what without all the drama and all.
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To be fair, the Enterprise was facing another Starfleet ship in only two of those examples.
So perhaps the Enterprise IS one of the best ships in the fleet--it's just a fleet full of shitty ships.
To be fair, the Enterprise was facing another Starfleet ship in only two of those examples.
So perhaps the Enterprise IS one of the best ships in the fleet--it's just a fleet full of shitty ships.
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The TOS Enterprise was never supposed to be the best ship in the fleet. It was one of eight ships exactly like it shown or mentioned in TOS that I can think of (Constellation, Defiant, Hood, Potemkin, Excalibur, Intrepid, Lexington, and Exeter). It wasn't even the ship for which the class was named, though the class of the ship isn't on-screen canon.
As far as going up against opponents goes, it's problematic. The only two times I can remember the Enterprise actually firing its weapons in anger in TOS movies are in TWOK and TUC. (Though I may be forgetting something. I know Kirk wanted to fire phasers in TSFS, but I don't think they worked.)
The TOS Enterprise was never supposed to be the best ship in the fleet. It was one of eight ships exactly like it shown or mentioned in TOS that I can think of (Constellation, Defiant, Hood, Potemkin, Excalibur, Intrepid, Lexington, and Exeter). It wasn't even the ship for which the class was named, though the class of the ship isn't on-screen canon.
As far as going up against opponents goes, it's problematic. The only two times I can remember the Enterprise actually firing its weapons in anger in TOS movies are in TWOK and TUC. (Though I may be forgetting something. I know Kirk wanted to fire phasers in TSFS, but I don't think they worked.)
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You're right, thanks. I knew twelve was mentioned in "The Making of 'Star Trek'", but I forgot Kirk saying it in that episode.
You're right, thanks. I knew twelve was mentioned in "The Making of 'Star Trek'", but I forgot Kirk saying it in that episode.
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Now for the big argument: did Kirk mean twelve total or thirteen?!?
You're right, thanks. I knew twelve was mentioned in "The Making of 'Star Trek'", but I forgot Kirk saying it in that episode.
Now for the big argument: did Kirk mean twelve total or thirteen?!?
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We'd never seen Romulan miners before. An echelon of society that develops its own customs. Similarly, "Nemesis" introduced us to the Remans.
Similarly, "Enterprise" showed us Orion males with green skin and facial piercings (TAS Orions were pale blue). Similarly, TOS, TMP, ST IV, TNG and ENT have all shown us Andorians with very different antennae. Similarly, TNG and DS9 have featured different Trill (ridged and spotted). And so on.
We'd never seen Romulan miners before. An echelon of society that develops its own customs. Similarly, "Nemesis" introduced us to the Remans.
Similarly, "Enterprise" showed us Orion males with green skin and facial piercings (TAS Orions were pale blue). Similarly, TOS, TMP, ST IV, TNG and ENT have all shown us Andorians with very different antennae. Similarly, TNG and DS9 have featured different Trill (ridged and spotted). And so on.
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LOL, can you imagine if ST:XI had Nero and crew looking like TNG Romulans and all stiff acting? People would have gone nuts if the working class, near piracy level post apocalypse miners didn't look different.
LOL, can you imagine if ST:XI had Nero and crew looking like TNG Romulans and all stiff acting? People would have gone nuts if the working class, near piracy level post apocalypse miners didn't look different.
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I think you just hit the nail on the head! These are Mad Max Romulans!
I think you just hit the nail on the head! These are Mad Max Romulans!
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INS still had the Enterprise getting its ass kicked, just by two ships instead of one. If we combined that into one ship, it would probably qualify as "bigger and more powerful ship."
But hey, if people want to see the JJPrise destroyed, prime universe history dictates that they have to go up against a smaller, inferior vessel
This right here. It was never said on screen that Enterprise was the best, or even that Kirk and his crew were all that exceptional. The original depiction in the show as that this was just another ship with just another crew in Starfleet. Except for that war game, Starfleet ships weren't really compared to each other on screen.
It was only during the movies that hero worship kicked in, and even then, it wasn't until the spinoffs that it really picked up steam. I really want to say it was TSFS that started it, with talk about the ship's age, Mr. Adventure drooling over Admiral Kirk, Scotty being appointed to work on Excelsior, etc. But in TMP, Enterprise was only called because she was the only ship in range (ugh), and TWOK, the ship was relegated to mundane cadet training duty.
As well, TNG established the idea of Enterprise being the Federation flagship, but even then, only for the E-D. None of her predecessors, as far as we know, had that distinction, and the TOS-E was never stated to have that mark. The JJPrise having that distinction is inspired by TNG.
INS still had the Enterprise getting its ass kicked, just by two ships instead of one. If we combined that into one ship, it would probably qualify as "bigger and more powerful ship."
But hey, if people want to see the JJPrise destroyed, prime universe history dictates that they have to go up against a smaller, inferior vessel
This right here. It was never said on screen that Enterprise was the best, or even that Kirk and his crew were all that exceptional. The original depiction in the show as that this was just another ship with just another crew in Starfleet. Except for that war game, Starfleet ships weren't really compared to each other on screen.
It was only during the movies that hero worship kicked in, and even then, it wasn't until the spinoffs that it really picked up steam. I really want to say it was TSFS that started it, with talk about the ship's age, Mr. Adventure drooling over Admiral Kirk, Scotty being appointed to work on Excelsior, etc. But in TMP, Enterprise was only called because she was the only ship in range (ugh), and TWOK, the ship was relegated to mundane cadet training duty.
As well, TNG established the idea of Enterprise being the Federation flagship, but even then, only for the E-D. None of her predecessors, as far as we know, had that distinction, and the TOS-E was never stated to have that mark. The JJPrise having that distinction is inspired by TNG.
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Alright everyone I'm accepting defeat on the tattoo part. It was literally my smallest complaint but it seems to be the only one people are getting on my case about. You all are right they are a different class of romulans so the option is there. I just didn't like that touch, that's it, but there were many other aspects of the movies I didn't like even more.
Alright everyone I'm accepting defeat on the tattoo part. It was literally my smallest complaint but it seems to be the only one people are getting on my case about. You all are right they are a different class of romulans so the option is there. I just didn't like that touch, that's it, but there were many other aspects of the movies I didn't like even more.
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OMG TOTALLY!
btw one of the hottest things about them is their BOOTS!
Tabi boots, you can dress like a Romulan if you wish
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lva4rvlOsX1qjds22o1_1280.jpg
OMG TOTALLY!
btw one of the hottest things about them is their BOOTS!
Tabi boots, you can dress like a Romulan if you wish
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lva4rvlOsX1qjds22o1_1280.jpg
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"The good news is you've been given the honour of undertaking a five-year mission of exploration. The bad news is the Enterprise is taken, so you will be captaining the USS Shit-tastic."
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Love Tabi boots. The Andorian ambassador in ST:TMP had purple Tabi boots!
"If you had a torch, you could see my Tabi boots!" by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
"Ah, here you go!":
Andorians sketch, TMP (Robert Fletcher), added by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
btw one of the hottest things about them is their BOOTS!
Tabi boots, you can dress like a Romulan if you wish
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lva4rvlOsX1qjds22o1_1280.jpg
Love Tabi boots. The Andorian ambassador in ST:TMP had purple Tabi boots!
"If you had a torch, you could see my Tabi boots!" by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
"Ah, here you go!":
Andorians sketch, TMP (Robert Fletcher), added by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
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Have you ever tried them? They look awesome but are they actually comfortable?
And thanks for that TMP tidbit, that is amazing!
Have you ever tried them? They look awesome but are they actually comfortable?
And thanks for that TMP tidbit, that is amazing!
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I once chatted to a young guy at a convention who had authentic tabi boots he'd bought to create a Tim Drake "Robin" costume. He said they were often worn by ninjas and so are silent and very comfortable.
The ones worn by the female ambassadors in TMP resembled split-toe ballet slippers in pale mauve. The male boots seemed firmer, more like suede - I first noticed the split-toe in a b/w photo of him published in "Famous Monsters". The large colour photo in the "Make-Your-Own Costume Book" unfortunately has been cut out and placed onto a plain background, and whoever cut the pic failed to notice the uniqueness of the boots.
I once chatted to a young guy at a convention who had authentic tabi boots he'd bought to create a Tim Drake "Robin" costume. He said they were often worn by ninjas and so are silent and very comfortable.
The ones worn by the female ambassadors in TMP resembled split-toe ballet slippers in pale mauve. The male boots seemed firmer, more like suede - I first noticed the split-toe in a b/w photo of him published in "Famous Monsters". The large colour photo in the "Make-Your-Own Costume Book" unfortunately has been cut out and placed onto a plain background, and whoever cut the pic failed to notice the uniqueness of the boots.
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There is no victory or defeat in these conversations. You named a problem and other people explained why they didn't think it was a problem.
Be a pretty dull place if we only got one sides opinions on various subjects.
There is no victory or defeat in these conversations. You named a problem and other people explained why they didn't think it was a problem.
Be a pretty dull place if we only got one sides opinions on various subjects.
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Rather than saying they are/were Logical, I would actually use the words calculating or manipulative.
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I suppose defeat was the wrong word to use. I agree now that assuming all romulans don't have tattoos was premature so I'll admit that.
There is no victory or defeat in these conversations. You named a problem and other people explained why they didn't think it was a problem.
Be a pretty dull place if we only got one sides opinions on various subjects.
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