Fix an episode----Obsession

[Grant]

The point of this thread is for people who AGREE with the proposition that the episodes could have been made better back in the day with simple fixes in the scripts.

If that doesn't appeal to you or you think it's an exercise in futility--I stand by your right to think that.

What you really want is to win an argument that you yourself created. You want to convince me or others that the episode is perfect just as it is and the entire thread is pointless and you will post over and over and over until you think you've won.

This is just supposed to be a fun thing where people come up with ideas on the subject.

But you are so intolerant of the premise itself--you will post 100 times if need be to prevail.

I find it sad.

But if anyone does find the idea interesting I will remain happy to discuss it with them

Wait-you actually think the SCRIPT INTENT was that Spock was luring the creature rather than blocking it? LOL

You are so deluded that you have to pretend that every writing blunder was actually a clever idea that the writers had thought of at the time.

Find the script for the episode where the writers intent is to show Spock luring the creature by doing that and I will stop posting for a month.

 

[BillJ]

I've asked two questions:

But doesn't he do that in the episode?

I'm still unsure of how an entity likely born in deep space and able to travel at warp violates the internal logic of the show?

You haven't answered either one.

Like it or not, threads like this usually become a discussion about the perceived flaws of the episode. For good and bad. I see the same happening here. Also, like it or not, people have been coming up with explanations for discontinuities within Star Trek for a really long time and if you offer up what you think is a problem, people are going to offer what they see as solutions.

So lighten up and go with the flow.

 

[Grant]

"usually become a discussion about the perceived flaws of the episode"

LOL

It didn't become that.............that's the very premise of me creating the thread.

I know folks, for years, make up "in-universe" explanations for "flaws" in episodes--that's fine and fun.

This thread is for simple ideas for the episodes to have been "fixed" back in the day that would have eliminated the need for so many explanations years later.

If you prefer to make in-universe explanations at this point, that is fine--I do that myself a lot.

If in some cases a person feels the flaws are too great to be explained away years later and would have been better having been fixed in the first place.....

...I think they should have that right and I simply created a thread for those who agree.

If I was a person such as yourself who thinks the flaws are easily explained or aren't flaws at all--I wouldn't feel the need to argue that every flaw wasn't a flaw in a thread where the assumption is that they are flaws.

I'm not trying to say I'm right and anybody else is wrong--I'm trying to hear interesting theories from people who may agree.
Someone who keeps chiming in and saying it's not needed because there's logical explanations for all the points given--is not really serving the point of the thread.

I will answer one question.

YES, Kirk disobeyed orders and went against his staff.

But he was proven right in every way--so how could anybody in the chain of command do anything by pat him on the back?

In my version, he very likely does the right thing and saves lives and is still the hero except he can't 100% prove to everyone that he did, so there is a bit of ambiguity as to whether he at the beginning was truly obsessed and happened to luck out OR was right all along.

I occasionally like that ambiguity instead of him just being 100% right and everybody knowing.

IN STID Pike says something like......"you break the rules and then depend on blind luck to convince you think you were right."

I think that would have been a nice touch for this episode.

Having Spock note that the creature is about to spawn---come on, it's just too much for me.

Not only is he right about it being the exact same creature, not only is he right that somehow it's traveling thru space and can show up anywhere, but now it's about to spawn and his going against orders ended up saving the entire GALAXY!!

Did he really need to be vindicated to that extent?

I know your answer. LOL

 

[feek61]

The point of this thread is for people who AGREE with the proposition that the episodes could have been made better back in the day with simple fixes in the scripts.

If that doesn't appeal to you or you think it's an exercise in futility--I stand by your right to think that.

What you really want is to win an argument that you yourself created. You want to convince me or others that the episode is perfect just as it is and the entire thread is pointless and you will post over and over and over until you think you've won.

This is just supposed to be a fun thing where people come up with ideas on the subject.

But you are so intolerant of the premise itself--you will post 100 times if need be to prevail.

I find it sad.

But if anyone does find the idea interesting I will remain happy to discuss it with them

Wait-you actually think the SCRIPT INTENT was that Spock was luring the creature rather than blocking it? LOL

You are so deluded that you have to pretend that every writing blunder was actually a clever idea that the writers had thought of at the time.

Find the script for the episode where the writers intent is to show Spock luring the creature by doing that and I will stop posting for a month.

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Sorry to have responded to your thread; I didn't expect such an aggressive and hostile response. I certainly didn't see in the title of your thread that you only wanted people to respond who agreed with you that somehow the episode needed to be fixed (and transversely if you don't think it needs to be fixed; don't post). I won't waste my time reading your many other "fix an episode" threads.

 

[Grant]

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Sorry to have responded to your thread; I didn't expect such an aggressive and hostile response. I certainly didn't see in the title of your thread that you only wanted people to respond who agreed with you that somehow the episode needed to be fixed (and transversely if you don't think it needs to be fixed; don't post). I won't waste my time reading your many other "fix an episode" threads.

Thank you.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Here's how I'd fix this episode: add a prologue...the attack on the Farragut.

 

[Grant]

LOL.

No I don't mind being disagreed with.

I wanted to be disagreed with. I wanted other folks to offer ideas and critique mine.

I just didn't want the thread to be overwhelmed by folks are generally saying----

this very thread is pointless because they are not mistakes or they are easily explained mistakes!

I get that folks have been and always will make explanations for "errors"

But the very simple point of this thread is to say "hey this could have been fixed easy back then by simply...."

It's an exercise.

Are repeated post/protestations that basically say "the very point of this thread is invalid" needed?

 

[Kemaiku]

Here's how I'd fix this episode: add a prologue...the attack on the Farragut.

That would have been interesting, maybe reusing The Cage props and so on, the older configuration of the Constitution class. I could see that working pretty well.

 

[Grant]

Here's how I'd fix this episode: add a prologue...the attack on the Farragut.

Do you mean a flashback?

An action sequence taking place years earlier?

That's sounds expensive and not something they could have done in 1967.

If you are serious.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Here's how I'd fix this episode: add a prologue...the attack on the Farragut.

Do you mean a flashback?

An action sequence taking place years earlier?

That's sounds expensive and not something they could have done in 1967.

If you are serious.

Unfortunately, you're right, an attack like that would probably have been unfilmable back then. Still interesting to think about though.

Or how about this: Begin the prologue AFTER the attack, while the first officer and Kirk (who were, IIRC, the only ones left on the bridge) walk the ship assessing damage and tending to survivors.

 

[Maurice]

This ain't Burger King where you can "have it your way". You can't tell people that only those who agree with you can post.

 

[Grant]

Person A--theoretically if the New York giants moved up to the #1 pick in the draft--who would they pick?

Person B--that's not going to happen.

Person A--I realize that, but it's just for fun.

Person B--It's not going to happen

Person A---I know, I know but I just think it would be fun to speculate!

Person C--I agree, that's not going to happen.

Person D---They'd probably pick the QB Winston

Person A---Yeah or maybe the other quarterback from Oregon

Person B---None of that is going to happen.


PICK A PERSON

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I pick Person E, who doesn't understand how football got dragged into all of this.

 

[Grant]

I pick Person E, who doesn't understand how football got dragged into all of this.

great choice!
as long as you aren't person B or C who don't give a hoot about going along with the premise but just want to keep saying the very idea of the speculation is worthless.

 

[plynch]

I never once thought about warp 8 implausibility.

ALL of Star Trek is implausible. Artificial deck-by-deck gravity. Inertial dampers. A space navy, even.

I think it plausible that at the exponential growth of computing power, we will have brought all of creation online as a quantum computer. So a space navy highly unnecessary. But that's me. (And Ray Kurzweill too btw.)

 

[Melakon]

I was going to mention that this is one of my favorite episodes, but that doesn't seem to be what OP wants to hear.

 

[plynch]

I like it too and overlook it. It's got the slickness of S2 but not the run of the mill, Nazi planet of the week vibe.

Just how many of those are there, really? Maybe I am unduly denigrating S2 as we used to do to S3 before its resurgence in estimation here a couple years ago.

 

[Grant]

I was going to mention that this is one of my favorite episodes, but that doesn't seem to be what OP wants to hear.

I am thrilled you like it.

I like lots of it. Always have.

Just the more I watched it--I found parts I found to be weak and not consistent.

I know 100% consistency is impossible--not even 50% is likely, but I thought it might be fun to speculate on little fixes.

Obviously if you think it doesn't need fixing-you won't have any ideas.

It's just how many times do you want to come here and state the episode is great as-is.

That depends on the person.

 

[Warped9]

If I went with my intial suggestion of the creature being artificially created then just adding a line or two of dialogue would have nailed it down and thus no problem to be fixed anymore.

Spock's line about the creature's abilities not necessarily being an indicator of intelligence is slightly in error. If the creature were an artificial construct then that speaks of someone's intelligence somewhere.

So all Spock had to say was affirm that no creation of nature could possibly do the things this creature does. And yet here it is. So possibly this thing was created by someone somewhere at some undetermined time. To which Kirk would reply it didn't really matter where or when it came from, but that they still had to deal with it now.

The only slight flaw I see with this approach is that it becomes conceptually similar to the doomsday machine and its unknown origins.

 

[Grant]

I like it too and overlook it. It's got the slickness of S2 but not the run of the mill, Nazi planet of the week vibe.

Just how many of those are there, really? Maybe I am unduly denigrating S2 as we used to do to S3 before its resurgence in estimation here a couple years ago.

I think S2 is pretty great until Mirror-Mirror (#39) and then is hit and miss after that.

I think S2 has too many gimmick episodes....

Gangsters
Nazis
old age disease
Romans
"cowboys and Indians"
Mind transfer so Nimoy can emote in an episode
return of Mudd

Jesus, one person makes a second appearance and it has to be Mudd.