Neither can mine, he's never been on time in his life.
Ridiculous dialog
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Neither can mine, he's never been on time in his life.
IrishNero
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90 percent of Star Trek Dialog was ridiculous if it involved physics, anything technical or otherwise scientific. It was largely written by writers skilled in writing (debatable at times), not science. The beauty of Star Trek is that whenever you got in trouble with the laws of science or otherwise, you could correct with a good time travel episode. 
90 percent of Star Trek Dialog was ridiculous if it involved physics, anything technical or otherwise scientific. It was largely written by writers skilled in writing (debatable at times), not science. The beauty of Star Trek is that whenever you got in trouble with the laws of science or otherwise, you could correct with a good time travel episode.
They never went into a problem that they couldn't technobabble their way out of.
Was that from Carol? She seems like someone who would talk like that. Anyone who'd say "Please, tell me what you're feeling" to a captain in the middle of a major crisis, after keeping him from seeing his own son for 20-some years, with the phasered ashes of a couple of people at their feet, might say something that dopey. 
Besides, Carol was some kind of pissed when she said that. Lots of people get pretentious when angry. (As B5 fans have seen many times...)
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Or like when make up new elements as they go like: "Hey, it's not trilithium it's paralihtium, but that can me modified to make trilithium...
Or when they make up new ways of moving through space for the sake of one episode and never talk about this ever again!!
If you all can put up with medical babble on the crime and medical shows, you can put up with it on the Star Trek shows; stop being a bunch of little babies who can't figure out language.
My favorite bit of ridiculous dialogue was a clunky line from Wrath of Khan:
"I CANNOT and WILL NOT subscribe to your interpretation of this event."
No one talks like that. Come on, Nick.
Really? My love -- the professional philosopher in the family --- and I routinely have disputes that involve challenging one another's conceptual theories of the subject, and we do accuse the other of making uncharitable readings of a situation, or of engaging in fallacies. ``I cannot and will not subscribe to your interpretation of this event'' is really not outside the bounds of how we might argue a point.
My favorite bit of ridiculous dialogue was a clunky line from Wrath of Khan:
"I CANNOT and WILL NOT subscribe to your interpretation of this event."
No one talks like that. Come on, Nick.
"Why, why it's Mister..."
Who talks like that?
This is fucking awful:
Basically.My favorite bit of ridiculous dialogue was a clunky line from Wrath of Khan:
"I CANNOT and WILL NOT subscribe to your interpretation of this event."
No one talks like that. Come on, Nick.
"Why, why it's Mister..."
Who talks like that?
Melodrama? In MY Star Trek? *stumbles backwards against chair* It's more likely than you think!
Picard: I know Hamlet. And what he might said with irony, I say with conviction. What a piece of work is man. How noble in reason. How infinite in faculty. In form, in moving, how express and admirable. In action, how like an angel. In apprehension, how like a god.
Q: Surely you don't really see your species like that, do you?
PICARD: I see us one day becoming that, Q. Is it that what concerns you?
Not only the most ridiculous, but also incredibly insensitive. It's one thing to stand by your own species and proclaim that we're not as bad as others make us out to be, but this exchange is completely at odds with the 'pro unity' nature of Starfleet's mission. Picard is running a ship that has full blooded alien crew members onboard and here he is declaring to an omnipotent being that humanity, and only humanity will become like angels and gods that they would scare the whole Q continuum.
It's exchanges like this that makes the whole "humanity has solved all of it's problems" premise irritating and uncomfortable. For a show that tries to depict a humanity that's pro-unity with the rest of the galaxy, this was the worst way to go about it.
Q: Surely you don't really see your species like that, do you?
PICARD: I see us one day becoming that, Q. Is it that what concerns you?
Not only the most ridiculous, but also incredibly insensitive. It's one thing to stand by your own species and proclaim that we're not as bad as others make us out to be, but this exchange is completely at odds with the 'pro unity' nature of Starfleet's mission. Picard is running a ship that has full blooded alien crew members onboard and here he is declaring to an omnipotent being that humanity, and only humanity will become like angels and gods that they would scare the whole Q continuum.
It's exchanges like this that makes the whole "humanity has solved all of it's problems" premise irritating and uncomfortable. For a show that tries to depict a humanity that's pro-unity with the rest of the galaxy, this was the worst way to go about it.
Perhaps but later from the same episode
RIKER: What do you need, Q?
Q: Need?
RIKER: You want something from us, desperately. What is it?
Q: Want something from you foolish, fragile, non-entities? Oh come, Riker. You're beginning to sound like your Captain.
RIKER: Now that's a compliment, Q. But that's not an answer.
Q: Riker, we have offered you a gift beyond all other gifts!
RIKER: Out of the goodness of your heart.
Q: After Farpoint, I returned to where we exist. The Q Continuum.
RIKER: Which means exactly what?
Q: The limitless dimensions of the galaxy in which we exist.
RIKER: I don't understand.
Q: Of course you don't, and you never will until you become one of us.
RIKER: Until? Would you mind going over that again?
Q: Well if you'll stop interrupting me. This is hardly a time to be teaching you the true nature of the universe. However, at Farpoint we saw you as savages only. We discovered instead that you are unusual creatures in your own limited ways. Ways which in time will not be so limited.
RIKER: We're growing. Something about us compels us to learn, explore.
Q: Yes, the human compulsion. And unfortunately for us, it is a power which will grow stronger century after century, aeon after aeon.
RIKER: Aeons. Have you any idea how far we'll advance?
Q: Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, even beyond us. So you see, we must know more about this human condition. That's why we've selected you, Riker, to become part of the Q, so that you can bring to us this human need and hunger, that we may understand it.
Sounds like what Picard said is exactly what the Q were thinking. But if you note Q says "your species" when talking to Picard so it's not unreasonable for Picard to think he was meaning Humans specifically, and where does Picard say other species might not also achieve that?
No actual aliens' feelings were hurt in the making of this episode.
Because Star Trek is about humans. If it's not about humanity, what's the point?
When Gene was in charge, that mentality was on full display in TNG. So much so that this perfect humanity can call modern 20th century humans an irredeemable and infantile lot who should be lectured about how wrong their 'need for possessions' mentality is.
Wow. We're being PC to cater to entities that don't actually exist?
Well, if they do ever show up we don't want them looking back on this and getting pissed with us.
How about this lovely bit? We have a ship with a plague onboard that isn't responding to hails and the only ship that can stop it from beaming down to the planet is the Enterprise. Valeda, the one in charge, pleads with Picard to do something about it as the ship gets even more closer.
Really? Valeda is pretty much panicking right now and Picard offers her no assurance that he has a plan to stop the ship? At first I thought that he was doing this so that the plague ship won't know of their plan, but that theory gets thrown out the window immediately after Tasha offers a suggestion.
It's exchanges like this that gives you the full story on why Denise left the show. Her character is deliberately written to be incompetent that you'd think the writers were doing this to her character on purpose. Because the solution to this problem is actually quite simple.
Yes. Instead of using the non-destructive tractor beam, Tasha wanted to go in guns blazing even though it was still a practical and logical suggestion. Picard also comes off as a total a-hole in the scene since after pointlessly not telling anyone what his plans were and waited till the ship WAS IN TRANSPORTER RANGE before he even attempted the Tractor Beam! What if the tractor beam didn't work? Because if it didn't work, what was to stop them from beaming down at that very moment? This is like taking a situation like crossing the road and making a big deal out of it.
That's this scene in a nutshell. It comes off so incredibly amateurish that it does the exact opposite of what a dramatic scene should actually do. Never resort to throwing idiot balls at characters.
VALEDA: Captain, the plague ship is approaching transport range.
PICARD: We are aware of that, Electorine.
VALEDA: Do you realise that they can turn this lovely world of ours into a graveyard? Please, please take action now before it's too late.
RIKER: We recognise your situation.
VALEDA: Please destroy them now!
PICARD: We will not fire on them, Electorine.
VALEDA: You must!
PICARD: We are aware of that, Electorine.
VALEDA: Do you realise that they can turn this lovely world of ours into a graveyard? Please, please take action now before it's too late.
RIKER: We recognise your situation.
VALEDA: Please destroy them now!
PICARD: We will not fire on them, Electorine.
VALEDA: You must!
Really? Valeda is pretty much panicking right now and Picard offers her no assurance that he has a plan to stop the ship? At first I thought that he was doing this so that the plague ship won't know of their plan, but that theory gets thrown out the window immediately after Tasha offers a suggestion.
TASHA: I'm certain I could disable their ship with a phaser burst, Captain.
PICARD: And then, Lieutenant?
TASHA: *silent*
PICARD: And then, Lieutenant?
TASHA: *silent*
It's exchanges like this that gives you the full story on why Denise left the show. Her character is deliberately written to be incompetent that you'd think the writers were doing this to her character on purpose. Because the solution to this problem is actually quite simple.
DATA: They're within transporter range, sir.
PICARD: Then we can't delay any longer. Ready the tractor beam, Lieutenant Yar. Target the ship. Activate on my command.
TASHA: Tractor beam ready.
PICARD: Engage.
TASHA: Got them, sir.
PICARD: Do we have them securely, Lieutenant? Can they beam out to the planet?
TASHA: Negative, sir. They can't leave that ship.
PICARD: Then we can't delay any longer. Ready the tractor beam, Lieutenant Yar. Target the ship. Activate on my command.
TASHA: Tractor beam ready.
PICARD: Engage.
TASHA: Got them, sir.
PICARD: Do we have them securely, Lieutenant? Can they beam out to the planet?
TASHA: Negative, sir. They can't leave that ship.
Yes. Instead of using the non-destructive tractor beam, Tasha wanted to go in guns blazing even though it was still a practical and logical suggestion. Picard also comes off as a total a-hole in the scene since after pointlessly not telling anyone what his plans were and waited till the ship WAS IN TRANSPORTER RANGE before he even attempted the Tractor Beam! What if the tractor beam didn't work? Because if it didn't work, what was to stop them from beaming down at that very moment? This is like taking a situation like crossing the road and making a big deal out of it.
Girl: The road is too busy. We can't cross it!
Guy: But we must. It's the only way to get to the other side.
Girl: But we'll get run over! There are too many cars and they're going by too quickly! I'm sure if we wait till the evening it will be much safer to walk across.
Guy: And then?
*Girl looks down in shame. A few all seconds later, the traffic light turns red and traffic stops*
Guy: Now we can cross.
Guy: But we must. It's the only way to get to the other side.
Girl: But we'll get run over! There are too many cars and they're going by too quickly! I'm sure if we wait till the evening it will be much safer to walk across.
Guy: And then?
*Girl looks down in shame. A few all seconds later, the traffic light turns red and traffic stops*
Guy: Now we can cross.
That's this scene in a nutshell. It comes off so incredibly amateurish that it does the exact opposite of what a dramatic scene should actually do. Never resort to throwing idiot balls at characters.
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