The Walking Dead Season 5

[DarthTom]

but it seems like some people

need to have their feathers ruffled.

Who is that? I'm gay -didn't bother me one bit the way they did it. In fact, I'm hoping that the shows' producers and writers are not too politically correct, and "culturally sensitive," to make one of gay characters a bad guy - or even a back stabber or even an evil prick.

People in, 'my community,' can be equally as much self-deluded end even fucked up as any straight person.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Who is that?

People that think there's an agenda. Homophobes.

 

[DarthTom]

People that think there's an agenda. Homophobes.

Well, I think AMC does have an, 'agenda,' - but it's the ratings=$$ agenda. Adding gay characters potentially brings in a new demographic to the show.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yeah, but AMC didn't exactly force them to have a gay couple since they were already in the comics. And it's not as if they really need any kind of ratings stunts on one of the most popular TV shows on right now. This also assumes that having a couple gay characters would really even change the ratings that much.

And that's not the agenda to which was referred.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Yeah, they were established characters in the comics for a few years now. I wouldn't call it any more a ratings stunt than introducing Michonne or Abraham.

 

[kitik]

hmm, that's kind of a spoiler

 

[Awesome Possum]

hmm, that's kind of a spoiler

What? That they are established characters in the comic book that the show is adapted from and were introduced years ago and after they were introduced on the show. That's like calling it spoiler that Harvey Bulloch is an established character in Batman comics in a Gotham thread.

 

[JD]

Has anybody else had trouble watching it online? I've tried twice now, and the video player on AMC's website won't load on my computer. It will play on my tablet though, so it looks like I might have to go that route to get caught up.

 

[yenny]

The two highways that were mention in the episode The Distance, is nowhere near the safe zone mention in the comics. But those highway are near a town of the same name in Ohio, which is east of Columbus Ohio; And that town has 4 lakes close by. While the one mention in comics and is south of DC has no lakes within it borders. But it does border the Potomac river.

 

[Brent]

Actually pretty interesting to see the portrayal of a male homosexual couple on a TV series. Here, almost touching how the two interacted with one another. Wonder how well that's going to go over with other viewers, though.

It was completely unnecessary. Homosexuality put in there just because it is homosexuality. The gay agenda strikes again.

Gay people exist, grow up.

I don't care whether gay people exist before or after the zombie apocalypse, that is not my point.

My point is that it it doesn't need to be shown on TV and is unnecessary to the storyline.

 

[Mojochi]

A character being reunited with someone they love and running to kiss and hug them is a scene that has been repeated on the show dozens of times.

Yeah... a "Reuniting " scene, with established characters, like when Glenn & Maggie find each other after a bunch of episodes apart. That's not the same as what was done here. This was a reveal. We don't know anything concrete about these characters, until now, which is a major part of the unfolding drama

Agreed. It didn't seem to me to be a "Gay" reveal, but, more a relationship reveal (which happens to be a Gay relationship)

But my point is that there's ordinarily no such thing here as a relationship reveal moment, unless it carries some kind of conflict or consequences to the drama (Like Shane & Lori's reveal). Case in point, look how long it took before even acknowledging Abe & Rosita's thing

When you wait for the last act or final quarter of an episode to play this scene, it's a reveal, which has far less to do with gay relationships, than it does with the nature of the suspense of this story, and how it might be undermined BY them being gay, on a television show, in happily assbackwards America (Which doesn't do that much & would want to do it in a positive light)

Because be honest here. The minute that scene happened, the entire audience knew there was no chance that either of these guys were going to be villains or dangerous "Bad" people. They were clearly loving, open minded, sane men, and thereby nothing to suspect. Had they demonstrated that sooner, in some more traditional or organic way, (Such as what Ryan8bit mentioned was in the comic) despite how ordinary & genuine the moment is, it would've killed that suspense they were gunning for. Whereas they could have a hetero relationship get revealed earlier & not have it impede the suspense in the same way

So maybe it's not a "Gay" reveal, in so much as it is a relationship that had to be played as a reveal because it carried an effect (From the fact that they were gay) which required the show to treat it... d i f f e r e n t l y

And differently is exactly the thing we should disavow when it's solely because of someone's sexual orientation, because believe me, I'm the last person to have a problem with gay characters on a tv show. In fact, they look to be a terrific addition, & a couple good actors. So, now that we're passed introducing them, it will likely be no issue at all. My issue (Miniscule as it is) isn't about that, it's about that they played it in a highlighted way that augments a difference where my opinion is there shouldn't be

Bah... I'm nitpicking. I'll STFU now. lol

 

[Awesome Possum]

It was completely unnecessary. Homosexuality put in there just because it is homosexuality. The gay agenda strikes again.

Gay people exist, grow up.

I don't care whether gay people exist before or after the zombie apocalypse, that is not my point.

My point is that it it doesn't need to be shown on TV and is unnecessary to the storyline.

Well it isn't your decision, that's up to the producers and writers. Given that Robert Kirkman who created the comic and those two characters is a producer for the show, he seemed to consider it necessary. They've only been introduced so none of us have any idea of what they will bring to the show. They may end up being fan favorites and an important part of the show. No one cared for Carol at first, especially given her story arc in the comic, now she's one of the more popular characters and I can't imagine the show without her.

 

[Mojochi]

Yeah, well... there's still people who hate Carol. Can't please everyone. LOL

 

[Awesome Possum]

Those people are nuts, Carol rules. The Termites learned that the hard way.

 

[Mojochi]

Those people are nuts, Carol rules. The Termites learned that the hard way.

I've grown to like her. I think she only had 1 line in this episode & it oozed with awesome

"Even though you were wrong... You were still right". Daryl didn't have much either, but his "This barn smells like horseshit" line was both funny & also a little endearing, because he looked so beat down

 

[Sindatur]

I am apparently a stupid or naive Gay Man, then. Because, all the way until the end of the episode, I did not have confidence that going in that gate was the safe thing to do. It's only here on this thread, that I have had an inkling that Erik and Aaron could really be trusted, and the gang isn't walking into a trap.

I'm still unclear though, why them kissing, showing they are a couple, rather then hugging showing them as brothers is any different. It was simply showing they have a close relationship, and that has no bearing whatsoever, on wether they can be trusted or not, Gay people can be just as untrustworthy or cannibalistic as Straight people

 

[Ryan8bit]

Had they demonstrated that sooner, in some more traditional or organic way, (Such as what Ryan8bit mentioned was in the comic) despite how ordinary & genuine the moment is, it would've killed that suspense they were gunning for. Whereas they could have a hetero relationship get revealed earlier & not have it impede the suspense in the same way

To be clear here, even though it was more subtle in the comic, I don't really have an issue with it in the show. It is a little more blatant and they were kinda playing on the audience expectations a little bit, but I don't really see a problem with that. I dunno, maybe it's because I already knew they were gay.

My point is that it it doesn't need to be shown on TV and is unnecessary to the storyline.

Sometimes it's not necessary to show the skin being peeled off of a walker's face either, but they do it because it's interesting.

I find it odd that some people are more repulsed by two dudes kissing than some of the gory stuff. It either tells us that we are way too sheltered from sexuality, or way too desensitized by violence.

The two highways that were mention in the episode The Distance, is nowhere near the safe zone mention in the comics. But those highway are near a town of the same name in Ohio, which is east of Columbus Ohio; And that town has 4 lakes close by. While the one mention in comics and is south of DC has no lakes within it borders. But it does border the Potomac river.

From what I understand, the highways are pretty much made up, and the scene where they overlook DC isn't even really a possible view, much less from the south. I guess those are the drawbacks to filming in Georgia. I don't know why they didn't say specific highways though.

 

[yenny]

Had they demonstrated that sooner, in some more traditional or organic way, (Such as what Ryan8bit mentioned was in the comic) despite how ordinary & genuine the moment is, it would've killed that suspense they were gunning for. Whereas they could have a hetero relationship get revealed earlier & not have it impede the suspense in the same way

To be clear here, even though it was more subtle in the comic, I don't really have an issue with it in the show. It is a little more blatant and they were kinda playing on the audience expectations a little bit, but I don't really see a problem with that. I dunno, maybe it's because I already knew they were gay.

My point is that it it doesn't need to be shown on TV and is unnecessary to the storyline.

Sometimes it's not necessary to show the skin being peeled off of a walker's face either, but they do it because it's interesting.

I find it odd that some people are more repulsed by two dudes kissing than some of the gory stuff. It either tells us that we are way too sheltered from sexuality, or way too desensitized by violence.

The two highways that were mention in the episode The Distance, is nowhere near the safe zone mention in the comics. But those highway are near a town of the same name in Ohio, which is east of Columbus Ohio; And that town has 4 lakes close by. While the one mention in comics and is south of DC has no lakes within it borders. But it does border the Potomac river.

From what I understand, the highways are pretty much made up, and the scene where they overlook DC isn't even really a possible view, much less from the south. I guess those are the drawbacks to filming in Georgia. I don't know why they didn't say specific highways though.

Both highways are real highways. US Highway 23 travel south to north in western Virginia. While US highing 60 is the closes to DC. It only goes through Virginia Beach, Hampton, Newport News and Richmond, heading east to west.

 

[Mojochi]

I am apparently a stupid or naive Gay Man, then. Because, all the way until the end of the episode, I did not have confidence that going in that gate was the safe thing to do. It's only here on this thread, that I have had an inkling that Erik and Aaron could really be trusted, and the gang isn't walking into a trap.

I'm still unclear though, why them kissing, showing they are a couple, rather then hugging showing them as brothers is any different. It was simply showing they have a close relationship, and that has no bearing whatsoever, on wether they can be trusted or not, Gay people can be just as untrustworthy or cannibalistic as Straight people

And that's very true, in real life, but on a tv show, I kind of see it similarly to Ryan8bit in that the stigma is more about the audience expectation, but honestly, I really don't have any problem with it either. It was just something somewhat worth mentioning or taking note of

 

[sojourner]

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My point is that it it doesn't need to be shown on TV and is unnecessary to the storyline.

How do you know it's unnecessary? Have you read the scripts for the rest of the season?

Why doesn't it need to be shown? Can you give a reason that wouldn't also apply to any other display of affection portrayed so far? Hint: "because it's two guys" is not a valid response unless you're twelve.