Picard's Kurlan naiskos drop is pretty hilarious.

[Lance]

There's a simple explanation that only just occurred to me. Picard knows that a Starfleet vessel is not the safest place to keep a priceless archaeological treasure, what with all the attacks and dangerous space thingies. So he kept the actual naiksos in a private storage facility back on Earth or somewhere, and kept a replica of it in his ready room for display purposes. Only the replica was destroyed, and he had no reason to be too upset about it, because the real one was still safe.

Yep, this is just another example of us the fans trying to rationalize something in Generations that makes no sense. For this particular point, I'd agree with Christopher. If someone gave me a priceless, extremely breakable antique, I wouldn't be flying around with it in a ship that's constantly getting into dangerous situations. Especially in an age where technology can create an exact replica of said item. I prefer to think that after a few days Picard gave the original to a museum after replicating it. That's really the only reason that makes sense based on what we see.

It's actually not uncommon. There are many museums and art galleries that display replicas of famous works, rather than the originals, because of fears for the age etc of the real artifacts. Usually they do have a sign nearby telling visitors this is the case, though.

I can totally buy the idea that Picard wouldn't keep the original on-board ship, given how dangerous it is (as Generations aptly demonstrates ). As you say, more than likely the one Galen gave him was transfered to a sealed vault, a museum, or some other safekeeping place back on Earth.

That's an annoyance with show-turned-movie. There's almost always an associative memory loss in the films, even if produced by the same people as the show. I was actually amazed that they remembered that Picard had a brother and a nephew!

It's especially weird because you just know had this pottery figure turned up later in the series, it would've been lavishly and lovingly explained, if only briefly.

I wouldn't want slavish attention paid to such things in the movies, mind you.

By contrast, the Mintakan tapestry from Season 3's "Who Watches The Watchers?" appears in both First Contact and Insurrection as set dressing in the ready room, which was a nice little nod to the fans.

Whether *that* is also a replica...

 

[HIjol]

Or, it was simply a Continuity and writing issue that was not caught. I do not believe Picard would have been that dismissive with an artifact of that pedigree.

 

[Andrew_Kearley]

I'm more concerned that Picard showed no concern over whether his fish was alright. I mean, Data was worried about his cat.

 

[Amaris]

I'm more concerned that Picard showed no concern over whether his fish was alright. I mean, Data was worried about his cat.

Spot ate Livingston.

 

[HIjol]

I'm more concerned that Picard showed no concern over whether his fish was alright. I mean, Data was worried about his cat.

Spot ate Livingston.

If you look real quick as they cut to the Bridge Interior shot right after the first "Saucer-Bounce" I swear you can see just a hint of fishtail disappearing into Spot's grinning maw. I swear you can...so sure...pretty darned...

 

[Michael]

I don't think I noticed this when originally watching it at the movies, but this section in RedLetterMedia's brilliant video review made sure to bring it to my attention.

 

[Dukhat]

Generations was a mess! And Ron Moore's statement that they destroyed the E-D because (paraphrasing) 'We wanted a cooler looking new one' is the most foolish thing to ever come out of that talented man's mouth.

I thought it was Braga that said this. Either way, I'd also heard the reason was because they needed a new film-friendly model, since the Ent-D was built for the small screen. Which is of course rubbish. Even if ILM couldn't have refurbished the model for the big screen, they could have just built another Enterprise-D that met the demand.

No, they just wanted a newer ship, which in retrospect, sucks. The Ent-D was only seven years old, and would have been just fine for the three more feature films it would have been in.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

It was just a prop that didn't have a meaning to David Carson or Patrick Stewart. The focus was on the "Generations" dialog and the photo album . Sharp eyed fans noticed tho!

Its just silly to try to rationalize Picard's actions in that scene, in a fictional sense.

 

[Lance]

Generations was a mess! And Ron Moore's statement that they destroyed the E-D because (paraphrasing) 'We wanted a cooler looking new one' is the most foolish thing to ever come out of that talented man's mouth.

I thought it was Braga that said this. Either way, I'd also heard the reason was because they needed a new film-friendly model, since the Ent-D was built for the small screen. Which is of course rubbish. Even if ILM couldn't have refurbished the model for the big screen, they could have just built another Enterprise-D that met the demand.

No, they just wanted a newer ship, which in retrospect, sucks. The Ent-D was only seven years old, and would have been just fine for the three more feature films it would have been in.

There's a photo out there of the filming model of the Galaxy Class Enterprise with an 1701-E affix. So somebody assumed they were going to use the model again.

I tend to agree that ripping the D out of the movies was a mistake, not only because in my opinion the E was a ship that had no character, but also because the D was as much an integral part of The Next Generation as any of the cast members. Transplanting them to a new ship never quite felt the same.

The reality is that Voyager needed the studio space, so those sets were going to be trashed no matter what happened. They just figured they might as well trash them on screen.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

This has never bothered me, ever, in all the years since GEN came out. Given what Picard had just experienced, and learned in the process, the only thing that really mattered to him was that photo album. It makes total sense in the context of the film.

If you want to fan speculate, Christopher's explanation is as good as any. You could also argue that there was no way that Starfleet was going to just let the Enterprise sit there on Veridian 3, and Picard could have every expectation that the rest of his ready room would be salvaged in good time, whereas given the loss of his family that album mattered right then and there.

Fine if that's your belief. Tell me though then why not have him pick it up gently look at it for a second and then set it gently down. Not just toss it away in a fashion that will probably break it.

And this wasn't just "Some gift from a friend" Galen was like a father figure to him and the sculpture was something like finding the holy grail of the archeological world. The fact Galen is killed shortly after would only magnify it's importance to him.

So he wants his photo album above all else.....fine. That doesn't mean everything else special in his life is suddenly worthless crap.

It wasn't written to show some deep statement of picard's priorities or they would have made more of a point about it instead of a 3 second shot.

It was either an inside joke or movie making. Based on the rest of generations I'm guessing the latter. Defend it if you wish but all I have to do is watch The Chase to know it was ridiculous.

The very fact that he and Riker were searching the remains of the Ready Room specifically for the album IS a statement of Picard's priorities. The fact is that the photo album was both more relevant and more important to the actual plot and message of Generations than the piece from The Chase.

I actually think that the coda on the Ent-D bridge is one of the high points of Generations, and I'm not going to get particularly worked up that they didn't pay homage to a piece of set dressing from a season 6 episode that wasn't particularly important to what the film was actually trying to say.

I've had times where I've been looking for one particular item of importance that I thought I'd lost. It doesn't mean I just toss everything else I own aside like worthless crap, especially if it's rare, valuable, has special meaning and is fragile.

No it's not a big thing. But it shouldn't have been there in at all. if they were trying to make a statement about how the photo album was his priority then they would have him linger on looking at the thing longer, maybe have a reflective moment of him staring at it and then have him set in down and move on. Not pick it up, bearly look at it and toss it aside.

Don't make seem like it was some kind of statement about his priories. It was a small piece of crappy filmmaking, which was representative of all the other pieces of crappy filmmaking in Generations.

I mean people who never worked on ST a day in their life noticed and thought how ridiculous it was given the fact it was the centerpiece of one on picards most emotional scenes in TNG. You think at least one person who had been working on the show would say, you know this is really not logical to include this way.

No it didn't ruin the film for me. Pretty much everything before that scene took care of that.

 

[T'Girl]

... family photo album ... Just make another one from the backups

Which would not have the history of the originals, would never have been physically touched by members of your family now long gone.

The Ent-D was only seven years old, and would have been just fine for the three more feature films it would have been in.

Watching the Enterprise Dee ramming the Simitar would of had far more meaning for me, as would that shot of her in space dock having her bow replaced.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Generations was a mess! And Ron Moore's statement that they destroyed the E-D because (paraphrasing) 'We wanted a cooler looking new one' is the most foolish thing to ever come out of that talented man's mouth.

I thought it was Braga that said this. Either way, I'd also heard the reason was because they needed a new film-friendly model, since the Ent-D was built for the small screen. Which is of course rubbish. Even if ILM couldn't have refurbished the model for the big screen, they could have just built another Enterprise-D that met the demand.

No, they just wanted a newer ship, which in retrospect, sucks. The Ent-D was only seven years old, and would have been just fine for the three more feature films it would have been in.

There's a photo out there of the filming model of the Galaxy Class Enterprise with an 1701-E affix. So somebody assumed they were going to use the model again.

I tend to agree that ripping the D out of the movies was a mistake, not only because in my opinion the E was a ship that had no character, but also because the D was as much an integral part of The Next Generation as any of the cast members. Transplanting them to a new ship never quite felt the same.

The reality is that Voyager needed the studio space, so those sets were going to be trashed no matter what happened. They just figured they might as well trash them on screen.

Yeah I've seen that shot. ILM wasn't sure for a while if they were going to make a new Enterprise design or just do what they did in TOS films and reuse the same design with a different letter. So they just slapped an E on the end of it after Generations to save time if they went the reuse route.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I don't think I noticed this when originally watching it at the movies, but this section in RedLetterMedia's brilliant video review made sure to bring it to my attention.

I can't say that I ever actually noticed this in the film itself. However, that clip seems to show that Picard sets the item back down in the same location he picked it up from, rather than just "tossing it aside". The way everyone has described it in this thread, I expected him to casually flip it over his shoulder or something, like Sisko with the tribbles...

 

[HIjol]

. , ,'.

I don't think I noticed this when originally watching it at the movies, but this section in RedLetterMedia's brilliant video review made sure to bring it to my attention.

I can't say that I ever actually noticed this in the film itself. However, that clip seems to show that Picard sets the item back down in the same location he picked it up from, rather than just "tossing it aside". The way everyone has described it in this thread, I expected him to casuallny flip it over his shoulder or something, like Sisko with the tribbles...

Moi Aussi...and, as I said earlier upthread, I will not believe that Picard would be so dismissive of such a meaningful object with such magnitude, sound effects notwithstanding.

To M ^^^
That clip and website are pretty darned funny. Thank you for sharing!.

 

[E-DUB]

And, for the uninitiated, as of this writing anyway, Norman Lloyd is still alive. Age-100.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

And, for the uninitiated, as of this writing anyway, Norman Lloyd is still alive. Age-100.

Holy shit really? I Just watched him in dead poets society last night and actually thought to myself how long ago he had probably been gone.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

I don't think I noticed this when originally watching it at the movies, but this section in RedLetterMedia's brilliant video review made sure to bring it to my attention.

I can't say that I ever actually noticed this in the film itself. However, that clip seems to show that Picard sets the item back down in the same location he picked it up from, rather than just "tossing it aside". The way everyone has described it in this thread, I expected him to casually flip it over his shoulder or something, like Sisko with the tribbles...

I never said he spiked it like a football player after a td. But he clearly did not set it down with the extreme care that you would such an object. My grandmother collected china cups, some of which I got when she died. I can tell you every time I pick one up for some reason I don't just decide "meh 6 inches to the ground is close enough" and let it go. My hand only leaves the cup when it is resting safely in place.

Although it's never clearly stated the statue seems like it's ceramic in nature and last i checked ceramic can break even if dropped from low heights and Picard clearly dropped it. He didn't hold on to it until it was in the ground. Of course I could be wrong about the material maybe it was made from the same shit Captain America's shield is.

If people want to try and excuse slipshod filmmaking by saying it was a statement that the photo album only mattered hence his indifference. Fine. It's a weak argument in my book but whatever.
However even if it didn't mean much personally anymore it's highly unlikely that Picard the lover of archeology would treat something so significant in such a haphazard fashion.

 

[HIjol]

And, for the uninitiated, as of this writing anyway, Norman Lloyd is still alive. Age-100.

SO good in St. Elsewhere!!!

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

I never said he spiked it like a football player after a td. But he clearly did not set it down with the extreme care that you would such an object. My grandmother collected china cups, some of which I got when she died. I can tell you every time I pick one up for some reason I don't just decide "meh 6 inches to the ground is close enough" and let it go.

Although it's never clearly stated the statue seems like it's ceramic in nature and last i checked ceramic can break even if dropped from low heights and Picard clearly dropped it. He didn't hold on to it until it was in the ground. Of course I could be wrong about the material maybe it was made from the same shit Captain America's shield is.

Thanks for the chuckles!

And yeah, Picard did say the thing was 12,000 years old!

 

[HIjol]

There. Is. No. Way. He. Does. That.
They. Blew. It.
Maybe. There. Were. 5. Lights.