The voice heard during the fan dance is in fact Nichelle Nichols. You'll notice it's acapella(no instrumentals). But the song on the soundtrack is Siouxsie and the Banshees.
And Star Trek V failed because...
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By that standard, the Genesis Planet is a little soundstage about forty feet across and so impossible for anything to get lost in; Vejur's probe on the bridge is just a large cylindrical tube that can be easily escaped by walking away or unplugging; and by the time of The Undiscovered Country the bulkheads of the Enterprise are plywood sheets loosely enough attached that a person dropping a couple feet can cause them to visibly wobble, rendering them utterly incapable of the accelerations required for spaceflight. Also pretty much all the aliens are just people wearing silly rubber masks and are no physical threat at all, since even if the human dressed up all silly and wearing a costume were stronger than Our Heroes, the masks and costumes and all that are going to constrain their movements so much that they'll be easily beaten.
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I've always heard of actors being typecast as characters, but in his case it's too often the reverse. I've never understood unwillingness to differentiate the two in the case of Kirk/Shatner. One is an actor. The other is an exceptional man who lives in a fictional future.Whats the origin of Shatner bashing, anyway?
That T-shirt was humour? How so? I'm afraid I totally don't get that "joke".
I'd say it's a play on "Go climb a tree."
^I should learn to check first. You are correct. Siouxsie and the Banshees did a song for Batman Returns.
Shear jealousy, William Shatner has obtained a level of professional success, wealth and celebrity beyond what the majority of the population ever will.
Only a B-list actor you say, seem to be working for him.
That movie failed because the idea that a planet like that exists at the center of our galaxy (or that a Star Ship could go there) is pretty far fetched. The center of our galaxy must be a pretty violent, active place with so much mass spinning around. There is probably a super massive black hole there.
The movie is no more far-fetched than any given episode of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT. It's Star Trek. They make stuff up as they go.
Regardless, I like it. I always have, and I like it much more than some of the others. Not all, but some. The more people bitch about it, the more I like it.
Regardless, I like it. I always have, and I like it much more than some of the others. Not all, but some. The more people bitch about it, the more I like it.
Shear jealousy, William Shatner has obtained a level of professional success, wealth and celebrity beyond what the majority of the population ever will.
Only a B-list actor you say, seem to be working for him.
Bull. I think Shatner gets too much flack at time, but let's be real. It is a pretty well established fact that, over the years, Shatner has displayed a rather strong desire to make sure he gets his first, no matter who else may be impacted by it. I don't think Jimmy Doohan harbored such resentment towards Shatner simply because he was more successful.
If you want to argue the Shatner bashing goes too far sometimes, fine, I would agree with you at times. But don't pretend it's all because "He's been more successful than most people so they are jealous" is the reason. If that were the case, very successful and famous would have a significant bashing community. Last I checked there isn't a really strong Tom Hanks bashing lobby.
Shatner isn't a terrible human being, but let's face facts and accept he's said and done things that have opened the door for people to take shots him, sometimes with justification.
I'll give William Shatner total, deserved praise for one thing: on that interview program he hosted (I can't remember the name...One On One...Unplugged with Bill...Pants Off...I honestly can't think of it now!), he had a masterful technique of interviewing guests. He asked a question, and then just shut up and let the interviewee talk. It's about time someone tried this!
I'll give William Shatner total, deserved praise for one thing: on that interview program he hosted (I can't remember the name...One On One...Unplugged with Bill...Pants Off...I honestly can't think of it now!), he had a masterful technique of interviewing guests. He asked a question, and then just shut up and let the interviewee talk. It's about time someone tried this!
There's no doubt the man has his strengths. He also has some very prominent weaknesses.
He strengths often get overlooked and his weaknesses magnified.
But anyone who says Shatner bashers are all just jealous and ignore what he's done to open himself to the criticism he gets are just blind or in denial.
They remind me of the Whitney Houston fans who believe to this day that Bobby Brown was responsible for the way she became and why she died how she did. When the truth is Whitney turned out the way she mostly because of her choices. Marrying Bobby didn't help things I'm sure, but she had made choices that determined her fate long before he was in the picture.
Yet people are so blinded by their feelings for a celebrity they can't accept the ugly side of their life.
I never took it to mean the exact pin point center of the core, but rather in the general middle region of the galaxy.
I SERIOUSLY doubt this had anything to do with the movie failing.
There are equally far fetched foolish premises in every single Star Trek movie...some of which are worse.
TMP- V'Ger fell into a "black hole?"
TWOK- Genesis can create a planet out of nebula gas? A planet randomly explodes?
TSFS- Protomatter, "soft landing," Fal Tor Pan?
TVH- slingshot time warp effect, leaving Klingon tech in 1986, bringing a woman from the past into the 23rd century
TUC- subspace shockwave, plasma seeking torpedoe created in3 mins
GEN- the Nexus
FC- temporal Vortex (that the Enterprise magically recreates)
INS- The Briar Patch (WTF), metaphasic radiation, etc
NEM- thaleron radiation, detecting posotronic signal halfway across the quadrant.
09- Black Hole time travel, red matter
ID- magic blood
If realism and scientific accuracy are elements that determine a film's success, the Trek franchise would have sunk a long time ago.
QFT.
Kirk says "Go climb a tree" to Kor in EOM. I think CC is suggesting that the t-shirt may have been a reference to that, though I personally doubt it.
I thought the T-shirt was kinda funny. The joke is how informally he is dressed for this serious situation (which he didn't have time to change for).
I think the humour in TFF generally works. The problem is it's overused, and often undermines what should be serious situations. But if you just take the story as a kind of romp, like The Three Musketeers, then it's not so bad.
I think the humour in TFF generally works. The problem is it's overused, and often undermines what should be serious situations. But if you just take the story as a kind of romp, like The Three Musketeers, then it's not so bad.
because it sucked...wtf? why is this thread still alive?
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