My Gripes with STID!

[kirkfan]

I am sorry but this is not Jean-Luc Godard or Abel Gance whose movies I know quite well btw, this is some shitty Startrek movie that can't even rival with an average episode of any of the series. Not showing the scene is just inept, IMO that is.

How exactly is it inept? Studios know that PG-13 rated films generally perform better than R-rated films. Showing a skull being crushed in the manner Khan did would earn the film an R-rating.

Then people would be complaining about how Abrams destroyed Star Trek by making it R-rated and driving down ticket sales.

So much for the land of the free.

 

[BillJ]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour. As for Kirk he was rather stiff in that scene as he's most of the time in that movie. The only thing he does well is the look of swagger when he gets beat up.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

 

[BillJ]

So much for the land of the free.

This doesn't even make any sense. Studios are "free" to spend their money any way they see fit and you are "free" to either buy tickets or not.

For the studio, it is simple application of business sense.

 

[kirkfan]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour. As for Kirk he was rather stiff in that scene as he's most of the time in that movie. The only thing he does well is the look of swagger when he gets beat up.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

 

[kirkfan]

So much for the land of the free.

This doesn't even make any sense. Studios are "free" to spend their money any way they see fit and you are "free" to either buy tickets or not.

For the studio, it is simple application of business sense.

I am talking about the fascist censorship that's so deeply ingrained in your thinking habits that you don't even question it's validity anymore.

 

[BillJ]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour. As for Kirk he was rather stiff in that scene as he's most of the time in that movie. The only thing he does well is the look of swagger when he gets beat up.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

 

[BillJ]

So much for the land of the free.

This doesn't even make any sense. Studios are "free" to spend their money any way they see fit and you are "free" to either buy tickets or not.

For the studio, it is simple application of business sense.

I am talking about the fascist censorship that's so deeply ingrained in your thinking habits that you don't even question it's validity anymore.

Once again, you're not really making any sense.

 

[kirkfan]

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

 

[kirkfan]

This doesn't even make any sense. Studios are "free" to spend their money any way they see fit and you are "free" to either buy tickets or not.

For the studio, it is simple application of business sense.

I am talking about the fascist censorship that's so deeply ingrained in your thinking habits that you don't even question it's validity anymore.

Once again, you're not really making any sense.

Once again, I demand your apology for bringing my family into this discussion. This is way out of line!

 

[starfan97]

I thought STID was pretty good for a sequel to a reboot, but yah, I agree about the whole "cure for death" thing. It seemed like death was really only a disease that could be treated with the right medicine. Looooved the CGI though
I also don't like the whole Spock-Uhura thing. It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[BillJ]

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Franklin]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour. As for Kirk he was rather stiff in that scene as he's most of the time in that movie. The only thing he does well is the look of swagger when he gets beat up.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

You're certainly entitled to an opinion. I'm entitled to an opinion, BillJ and all God's children are entitled to an opinion. At least that's my opinion. It's fun to discuss them back and forth. It's not so much fun to make value judgments about them.

I'm about 99 percent certain Paramount/CBS consider the "Star Trek" franchise family entertainment. I think that's one reason in particular why over the years they may tease without being openly sexual and why we haven't seen an openly gay character worked into any show or movie (but I digress). The violence has always been very mild, especially considering what makes it onto TV these days.

I had a ten year-old and a 14 year-old with me at STID. I think they would've been incredibly disturbed to actually see Marcus's head pop like a pimple. As it is, my youngest gasped. My 14 year-old was only 11 when ST09 came out, and she did get disturbed by the rather graphic for Trek bar fight scene.

If Trek had been R-rated, I wouldn't have taken my daughters. As it is, the oldest walked out of STID a Trek fan. I don't mind trading not seeing Marcus's head pop like a weasel for that.

 

[kirkfan]

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

Don't hold your breath.

I've reported you.

 

[BillJ]

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

Don't hold your breath.

I've reported you.

Okay. Won't be the first time and likely won't be the last.

 

[kirkfan]

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

You're certainly entitled to an opinion. I'm entitled to an opinion, BillJ and all God's children are entitled to an opinion. At least that's my opinion. It's fun to discuss them back and forth. It's not so much fun to make value judgments about them.

I'm about 99 percent certain Paramount/CBS consider the "Star Trek" franchise family entertainment. I think that's one reason in particular why over the years they may tease without being openly sexual and why we haven't seen an openly gay character worked into any show or movie (but I digress). The violence has always been very mild, especially considering what makes it onto TV these days.

I had a ten year-old and a 14 year-old with me at STID. I think they would've been incredibly disturbed to actually see Marcus's head pop like a pimple. As it is, my youngest gasped. My 14 year-old was only 11 when ST09 came out, and she did get disturbed by the rather graphic for Trek bar fight scene.

If Trek had been R-rated, I wouldn't have taken my daughters. As it is, the oldest walked out of STID a Trek fan. I don't mind trading not seeing Marcus's head pop like a weasel for that.

And it's perfectly alright for you to think and say that but why should I be forbidden to voice my opinion on this forum? Could you give me a good reason for that? I am not trying to limit what you are entitled to say, why do you even suggest that i should limit myself?

 

[JWPlatt]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour....

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

I believe kirkfan refers to the underwear scene and the big breath the actress takes before screaming because she read the script and it said "scream." She knew it was coming before the character did, speaking to the quality of the acting. It was a pretty big telegraph.

Personally, I liked seeing her in her underwear. It, and the camera angle, was arousing and worthy of pause on the remote. I think that's what causes kirkfan's opinion - objectification. It was for us and not character-driven. I guess the denigration, once you consider kirkfan's possible motivations, is really toward the writers and the character and not so much the actress who did what she was told to do. And there's been plenty of denigration to go around about that whole topic. Kirkfan isn't unique.

 

[BillJ]

And it's perfectly alright for you to think and say that but why should I be forbidden to voice my opinion on this forum? Could you give me a good reason for that? I am not trying to limit what you are entitled to say, why do you even suggest that i should limit myself?

No one has suggested you should limit yourself beyond showing common courtesy. But we have disagreed with you.

 

[kirkfan]

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour....

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

I believe kirkfan refers to the underwear scene and the big breath the actress takes before screaming because she read the script and it said "scream." She knew it was coming before the character did, speaking to the quality of the acting. It was a pretty big telegraph.
...

Yes that was some sloppy directing and editing as well.

 

[M'Sharak]

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

He didn't bring your family into the discussion so much as question the necessity of your using the term "bimbo du jour". It wasn't really essential to the point being made, was it?

You'll forgive me if I don't share your appreciation of the acting abilities of the bimbo du jour. As for Kirk he was rather stiff in that scene as he's most of the time in that movie. The only thing he does well is the look of swagger when he gets beat up.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's really no need to denigrate the people involved in making the movie.

So now I am no longer entitled to an opinion? How does that work? Maybe we should "R-Rate" this forum.

Read his post again. I've placed the pertinent portion in bold.

So much for the land of the free.

This doesn't even make any sense. Studios are "free" to spend their money any way they see fit and you are "free" to either buy tickets or not.

For the studio, it is simple application of business sense.

I am talking about the fascist censorship that's so deeply ingrained in your thinking habits that you don't even question it's validity anymore.

It also seems you were the first to make things personal. Please don't do that.

As well, you'll want to avoid starting a squabble and then hitting "Notify" in an effort to get someone else into trouble. I don't care much for that sort of stunt.

Another thing:

[...]

I just don't like it when the average viewer is treated like a retarded child. [...] That's called realistic filming and it means not taking your audience for a bunch of imbeciles. I don't know if I made my point but I certainly hope so.

"Retarded" is an outmoded term you should probably try to avoid using, as it's now considered somewhat offensive. "Imbecile" isn't a great deal better, in that regard.

Lastly, and more on-topic:

How come the special effect guys couldn't even let us see the crushing of the guy's skull? It's child's play with the means they have nowadays.

Child's play though it might be, I for one can do without it; someone's skull being crushed just isn't a thing I have any need or desire to see depicted graphically, on big screen or small. Having it happen off-camera was quite sufficient.

 

[kirkfan]

It isn't an opinion, it's just being fucking rude over a movie you don't like. Do you call your Mom or wife a bimbo du jour whenever they do something you don't like?

How dare you bring my family into this discussion?

I demand an apology!

He didn't bring your family into the discussion so much as question the necessity of your using the term "bimbo du jour". It wasn't really essential to the point being made, was it?

Read his post again. I've placed the pertinent portion in bold.

It also seems you were the first to make things personal. Please don't do that.

As well, you'll want to avoid starting a squabble and then hitting "Notify" in an effort to get someone else into trouble. I don't care much for that sort of stunt.

Another thing:

I just don't like it when the average viewer is treated like a retarded child. [...] That's called realistic filming and it means not taking your audience for a bunch of imbeciles. I don't know if I made my point but I certainly hope so.

"Retarded" is an outmoded term you should probably try to avoid using, as it's now considered somewhat offensive. "Imbecile" isn't a great deal better, in that regard.

Lastly, and more on-topic:

How come the special effect guys couldn't even let us see the crushing of the guy's skull? It's child's play with the means they have nowadays.

Child's play though it might be, I for one can do without it; someone's skull being crushed just isn't a thing I have any need or desire to see depicted graphically, on big screen or small. Having it happen off-camera was quite sufficient.

Point taken but there was no intent on my part in using these terms. I just happen to draw the line at bringing people's family into the discussion but I see how I was out of line myself even if it was unintentional.