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I've played the computer game, I've read the script, I think I do have some nostalgic sentiment for it. However... it shows that Starfleet's greatest captain died around the same time I was born. :( But it does have Caligula survivor Malcolm McDowell! Whose... character is... indirectly responsible... never mind.
 
I've played the computer game, I've read the script, I think I do have some nostalgic sentiment for it. However... it shows that Starfleet's greatest captain died around the same time I was born. :( But it does have Caligula survivor Malcolm McDowell! Whose... character is... indirectly responsible... never mind.

And yet they brought him back from the grave in nu trek.
 
To objections over Kirk and Picard having such an easy time leaving the Nexus, this just occurred to me: We've only met* four people who left the Nexus. Two were human, two were El-Aurian. Maybe it only affects the El-Aurians the way Guinan suggests?

Something to consider.

*Sure, there were many other El-Aurians rescued, but we didn't meet them. We don't know what their experience was.
 
Sometimes, I'd imagine everything post-Generations is just Picard in the Nexus. :p

NuTrek? No, that's just Picard getting tired of the 24th century.
 
I'm not knocking Kirk, I just think it could be interesting (e.g. Picard is burying Soran rather than Kirk at the end), and would help reduce the silly Nexus sequence.
So basically we'd be given the setup that Soran wants to return to the nexus, but Picard just kills Soran before he can do so? That pretty much just defeats the purpose of the whole movie. Especially since we're told that the Nexus is this fantastic place, and then we never actually get to see it.
I haven't seen the fan-edit but I'd assume they'd keep the Nexus, but just Picard's bit, i.e. no horse riding and scrambled eggs with Kirk.

In Picard's Nexus fantasy, just fade out during Guinan's line "I can't leave here. I'm there already, remember?" Then Picard finds himself back on the planet. The implication is that Guinan somehow sent him back, which I think is better than the unexplained return in GEN proper.

The opposite of this would be the all-(or mostly)Kirk version, in which Kirk disappears from the Ent B, then immediately finds himself in the great outdoors talking to a bald British fellow.
 
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^Yeah. In First Contact, he was up for going against the Borg before deactivating his emotions.
I think the implication of that scene is that Data is commenting too much on the emotional sensation of being afraid, which Picard is finding distracting. Given the seriousness of the situation, it is a legitimate tactical move.

I have two gripes with Generations. First, as many have pointed out before, is Kirk's death. A death that is so unsatisfying that Shatner's series of books feature Kirk "un-dying" and continuing his adventures in the 24 century.

The other is the lackluster way in which the Enterprise deals with the BoP. I'm sorry, but they should be doing some other technobable solution to deal with it, not turn the ship away, and hope they get a lucky shot.

Beyond that, I found it to be an interesting movie, but could have been a lot more.
 
The opposite of this would be the all-(or mostly)Kirk version, in which Kirk disappears from the Ent B, then immediately finds himself in the great outdoors talking to a bald British fellow.

Lol, that is so tempting to do. ;)
 
A death that is so unsatisfying that Shatner's series of books feature Kirk "un-dying" and continuing his adventures in the 24 century.
A series of books about Kirk continuing to be dead would not have sold nearly as well. ;)

Zombie Kirk: Your argument is invalid :techman:

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I like the movie a lot, always have, even though it's got HUGE plot holes and makes little sense. There's just something special about it. The way it's shot, the overall story line and the really lovely score by Dennis McCarthy. It's ambitious. It feels like it moves things forward, although, future films don't take the momentum and run with it.
 
For me Generations is one of the worst movies and the worst Star Trek movie. It's an insult to both TOS and TNG. To quote James Rolfe. "What were they thinking!?!"
 
I haven't seen the fan-edit but I'd assume they'd keep the Nexus, but just Picard's bit, i.e. no horse riding and scrambled eggs with Kirk.

In Picard's Nexus fantasy, just fade out during Guinan's line "I can't leave here. I'm there already, remember?" Then Picard finds himself back on the planet. The implication is that Guinan somehow sent him back, which I think is better than the unexplained return in GEN proper.

Really? I'd find it immensely jarring and unsatisfying for Picard to just reappear on the planet after being in the Nexus for all of ten minutes, and not even remotely influenced by its lure.

The opposite of this would be the all-(or mostly)Kirk version, in which Kirk disappears from the Ent B, then immediately finds himself in the great outdoors talking to a bald British fellow.
Well, let's not open that can of worms. If Picard has the power to invade other peoples' Nexus fantasies, why didn't he just seek out Soran and drag his ass back to Veridian III after knocking him out?

To objections over Kirk and Picard having such an easy time leaving the Nexus, this just occurred to me: We've only met* four people who left the Nexus. Two were human, two were El-Aurian. Maybe it only affects the El-Aurians the way Guinan suggests?

Something to consider.

*Sure, there were many other El-Aurians rescued, but we didn't meet them. We don't know what their experience was.

You're pretty good at coming up with rationalizations to justify what we saw. And that's not a knock; I'm being completely serious and complementary. However, I will again point out that nowhere in the film was this made apparent as the reason why P&K were able to just pack up and leave the Nexus so easily :)
 
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To objections over Kirk and Picard having such an easy time leaving the Nexus, this just occurred to me: We've only met* four people who left the Nexus. Two were human, two were El-Aurian. Maybe it only affects the El-Aurians the way Guinan suggests?

Something to consider.

*Sure, there were many other El-Aurians rescued, but we didn't meet them. We don't know what their experience was.

You're pretty good at coming up with rationalizations to justify what we saw. And that's not a knock; I'm being completely serious and complementary. However, I will again point out that nowhere in the film was this made apparent as the reason why P&K were able to just pack up and leave the Nexus so easily :)
It sounds like a knock. :lol:

Seriously though, I don't need to have everything in a movie spelled out for me. I can fill in the blanks if I need to, but usually by the time I've thought about it half the movie has gone by. I'd rather just go along for the ride and let the rest of fandom pick it apart later.

But ... from what we saw, the Nexus really didn't have anything to offer either Captain, except to reinforce that the most important thing to them was their ship and crew. Kirk not so subtlely points that out to Picard after he realizes it himself. "Don't let them promote you," etc.
 
In Picard's Nexus fantasy, just fade out during Guinan's line "I can't leave here. I'm there already, remember?" Then Picard finds himself back on the planet. The implication is that Guinan somehow sent him back, which I think is better than the unexplained return in GEN proper.
Really? I'd find it immensely jarring and unsatisfying for Picard to just reappear on the planet after being in the Nexus for all of ten minutes, and not even remotely influenced by its lure.
I was actually thinking about this last night, in bed (what? isn't that a perfectly normal place to think about Star Trek?)

First of all, I'd have to rewatch GEN to get a better idea of whether it would or wouldn't work, but I suspect that removing the Kirk section would have the effect of increasing the thematic importance of Picard's Nexus experience. As it is, the importance of this fantasy in relation to his traumatic loss of his family is forgotten thanks to the prominence of the Kirk section.

I also thought about how to add weight to the transition back to Veridian III. Instead of the echoey fade which was the first idea that occurred to me, how about a gradual whitening of the screen accompanied by a sound effect, as Picard looks about disoriented. Then the whiteness and sound fade, and we hear a final line from Guinan as Picard finds himself back on the planet.

What that line would be, I don't know. The editor would have to search the Guinan episodes of TNG for something appropriate, but maybe something about how Picard is stronger even than she thought he was, or how he is a man with things still left to do. She tended to speak in homilies, so there's probably a lot of choice :)
 

Oh wow, is that actually a thing?

Zombies are always a thing. It's like Rule Z of the Internet ;)

In Picard's Nexus fantasy, just fade out during Guinan's line "I can't leave here. I'm there already, remember?" Then Picard finds himself back on the planet. The implication is that Guinan somehow sent him back, which I think is better than the unexplained return in GEN proper.
Really? I'd find it immensely jarring and unsatisfying for Picard to just reappear on the planet after being in the Nexus for all of ten minutes, and not even remotely influenced by its lure.
I was actually thinking about this last night, in bed (what? isn't that a perfectly normal place to think about Star Trek?)

First of all, I'd have to rewatch GEN to get a better idea of whether it would or wouldn't work, but I suspect that removing the Kirk section would have the effect of increasing the thematic importance of Picard's Nexus experience. As it is, the importance of this fantasy in relation to his traumatic loss of his family is forgotten thanks to the prominence of the Kirk section.

I also thought about how to add weight to the transition back to Veridian III. Instead of the echoey fade which was the first idea that occurred to me, how about a gradual whitening of the screen accompanied by a sound effect, as Picard looks about disoriented. Then the whiteness and sound fade, and we hear a final line from Guinan as Picard finds himself back on the planet.

What that line would be, I don't know. The editor would have to search the Guinan episodes of TNG for something appropriate, but maybe something about how Picard is stronger even than she thought he was, or how he is a man with things still left to do. She tended to speak in homilies, so there's probably a lot of choice :)

I like that idea a lot. The nexus is definitely a bit magic bean that isn't really explained, so a rationale behind why Kirk and Picard are fighting Soran in the real world, as opposed to a fake world with no rules would be nice.
 
Oh wow, is that actually a thing?
Zombies are always a thing. It's like Rule Z of the Internet ;)

It's an amateurish youtube clip!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmGdPEwMQk

It's novelty Halloween cookies!
http://foodreplicator.tumblr.com/post/34614152766/the-zombie-captains-of-star-trek

It's a freaking novel, for the love of Surak!
http://www.amazon.com/Night-Living-Trekkies-Quirk-Fiction/dp/1594744637


There is also a novellette about our world being invaded by all the characters William Shatner ever played:
http://www.amazon.com/Shatnerquake-Jeff-Burk/dp/1933929820/
 
Then why would he deactivate it? As Sisko said: " I've found nothing keeps me alert quite like a healthy fear of death."


Just because The Sisko can handle something, doesn't mean someone who's new to anxiety can too.

But he makes a good point, though.

Though the statement is true, the Sisko is Trek's equivalent of Chuck Norris. Ben may have said that statement just to convince lady death that he is still under her spell so he could laugh at her when he's charging in first in a space battle, taking on a station with one ship, taking on an armada with one ship, deceiving galactic powers (Romulan too), and he punched Q in the face. Didn't a Q turn Belanna or Janeway into a dog for talking back them? I don't think The Sisko is as afraid as he says he is.
 
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