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In your moronic opinion.
Plus the Seahawks had 1 timeout, not 2. Due to absolutely poor time-management at the end of the game, they used both timeout while the clock was already stopped, they just weren't ready to execute a play! They called one after an incomplete pass, and another one after the crazy catch (and then went out of bounds, so again, clock wasn't running). With better management, they'd have had either 2 or 3 timeouts at the goal line, and could have run repeatedly until they scored. Carroll coached them out of a superbowl win with poor strategy.
Which is the prevailing theory as to why Belichick didn't call timeout. Seahawks looked a little flustered and they liked that the wheels felt like they were coming off a little. Why call a time out and let them settle down and rethink things in that position?
And up by 4 points, letting them score is a tough plan. You're then praying you can come back and score in the short time left. Up by 3 or less, you absolutely let them in, exactly like the Pats did in 2012 against the Giants, because otherwise they can just waste clock time and kick an easy field goal anyway. Up by 4, you have to try and play to win there, and hope the defense can come up with a stop. FG means nothing, so they have to score to win.
It was NFL Films that applied that label in their highlight film of the 1978 season. Probably because of the success of the Cowboys in the 70s (success tends to produce fans outside a team's regional market) and also possibly because of the opening credits of a certain TV show. At the very least, the success of that TV show kept the use of the label going.
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On the subject of the SB interception, it should be noted that Lynch was 1 for 5 from the one yard line this season and that interception was the first pass interception from the one yard line this season. Great play by Butler.
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Ah, thanks.
Here's a good article about the cat and mouse game between head coaches.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...oaster-ride/RDAXRTxWTZtNvp2sCgNQUL/story.html
Like I said, if it's complete then Carroll is a genius.
I'd guess that the level of hatred for the Patriots is greater than the level of hatred for the Cowboys at the moment, Super Bowl or no. How can anyone love a team whose coach gives press-conferences that go something like this:
"It was what it was."
"We're on to Kansas City."
"I hired Aaron Hernandez to kill him."
"Skip Bayless looks like Beavis."
---Sran
Neither Belichick nor Brady sells the modesty schtick very well. They can barely keep a straight face through it, especially Brady. Authentic modesty would be exemplified by a guy like Andy Reid. Or Joe Montana.
Yeah, I'd say dislike for the Pats at this point eclipses that for the Cowboys. The integrity issues that have piled up over the years and that they are forever on a high horse and always barely getting away are a big part of it, but this time they really, really got away with one. And I hate the thought of that being the catalyst for an offseason of talk about the Patriots "dynasty."
Yeah, I'd say dislike for the Pats at this point eclipses that for the Cowboys. The integrity issues that have piled up over the years and that they are forever on a high horse and always barely getting away are a big part of it, but this time they really, really got away with one. And I hate the thought of that being the catalyst for an offseason of talk about the Patriots "dynasty."
I think winning and the cheating scandals are what is driving most of the Pats hate these days.
I'd guess that the level of hatred for the Patriots is greater than the level of hatred for the Cowboys at the moment, Super Bowl or no. How can anyone love a team whose coach gives press-conferences that go something like this:
"It was what it was."
"We're on to Kansas City."
"I hired Aaron Hernandez to kill him."
"Skip Bayless looks like Beavis."
---Sran
I'm a big fan of Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich so coaches who tend to thumb their noses at fans, the media, league officials, and other players are not a problem for me.
If the Seahawks could have won it with a fieldgoal, it would make sense to let them score quickly because you're not stopping the fieldgoal. But I agree it doesn't make sense to intentionally lose your lead so you can have a better chance of tying it again. Stopping the team lets you win the game without having to then attempt to tie it.
It had to do with the Cowboys appearing nationally on CBS every week while everyone's own team was blacked out because it was a home game.
Well get used to it, because they are certainly the closest thing to a modern day dynasty in the NFL as you're gonna see.
I certainly hope that you are this concerned about the integrity issues of the Steelers, Broncos, Falcons and Browns as well.
Oh wait...they don't win as much, so no one cares.
And what integrity issues have piled up over the years. Spygate? You mean a practice that even Bill Cowher stated his teams also did. Or deflategate? Which is quickly being proven to be a non issue and story, and may actually take on the narrative of the Colts intentionally screwing with the balls to make the Pats look bad.
Please clarify if you will.
If you're going to call them cheaters, atleast be informed about it.
Precisely. Letting the Seahawks score on the hopes that you could march sixty yards in a minute against a team that had by far the best passing defense in the league this season would have been just so, so monumentally stupid.
Blackouts were a consequence of any team's undersold stadium, Cowboys included, but that's not why.
From the entry:
Prior to 1973, all games were blacked out in the home city of origin regardless of whether they were sold out..
It's the reason why the Dallas Cowboys have traditionally had fans across the entire country. In Philadelphia, they're both the most hated sports team and the second most popular sports team. It's why Chris Christie is a Cowboys fan. That article confirms that point. NFL Films called them America's team because of their widespread fanbase. These fans (at least from my experience) is why people hate the Cowboys.
It's the reason why the Dallas Cowboys have traditionally had fans across the entire country. In Philadelphia, they're both the most hated sports team and the second most popular sports team. It's why Chris Christie is a Cowboys fan. That article confirms that point. NFL Films called them America's team because of their widespread fanbase. These fans (at least from my experience) is why people hate the Cowboys.
The Colts deflated the Patriots' footballs?
Okay.Anyway, here's a brief summary of what I'm talking about:
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deflate-gate-england-patriots-controversies/story?id=28373420
The difference with Spygate, and what makes it egregious, is that it was done with a camera over a number of years, not just having somebody in-game try to listen to get something. Substantial difference. It's ridiculous, and he got off with just a slap on the wrist and tried to excuse it by saying they were doing it "out in the open." I don't see how anyone can defend him at this point.
Personally, I think anything visible to the public should be eligible to be filmed. But that doesn't excuse intentionally breaking the rules. And it's one thing to say that everyone is on notice of the Patriots now and try to spin that into thinking they're singled out over other teams. The "everyone was doing it but only the Patriots were singled out" argument for spygate doesn't really hold water because there's no reason that would be true.
Guess you don't put any weight onto coaches that actually came out and said that, then? Pats were the first to get caught after the memo said to knock it off, but it was fairly common beforehand. Even with that, you're down to arguing technicalities. Filming on the field was legal, and could point it pretty much wherever you wanted. The guy doing it for the Pats wasn't standing in the right marked off box. That's the meat of the complaint. And the 'superbowl walkthrough' thing has been thoroughly debunked, even the guys that got busted doing the filming denied that one, and when the tapes were turned over, that one never came up. Someone in the media had a copy of the tapes, and he never went with that story either, for what that's worth.
If you want to bitch about a 1st round pick and 750k being a slap on the wrist, though, guess you could ask why the Broncos only got fined 50k and no draft pick for when they did the same thing in 2010, 3 years after spygate...
In general, NFL staff and national media don't like Belichick, so shit with him gets blown out of proportion. Things that would get the Pats vilified don't even get a passing mention when other teams do them. The "spying" above an obvious example. No one appears to give a shit about the Falcons at the moment because they suck, but same week as Deflategate, turns out the Falcons got busted for piping in fake crowd noise to gain a competitive advantage when playing other teams. Kinda funny there's no outrage there, no cheating discussion, etc, huh? And not a one-time thing, came out there's at least 2 years of history there
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ut-falcons-noise-piping-scandal-is-much-worse
And as for Deflategate? Despite all the targeted leaks, almost all of those stories have since been recanted or proven false. For example, the 2 psi per ball that supposedly the Pats balls were under, you know, the part that made them cheaters? Latest report is that 11 of those 12 balls were actually in the 12.3 or 12.4 range, which is MORE than perfectly obviously a weather factor thing, since they are filled and measured indoors. Yes, if Pats had filled to 13.5 vice 12.5 they would have stayed in range, but no one (that NFL could think of) has ever measured one during a game if it was legal at the start, so funny there. That 12th ball was the only one significantly under, around 2 psi. Can't speak to which ball and chain of custody, etc, but if that's the one the Colts had, and it wandered a bit before getting checked, kinda funny that only one was way under, no? And that the team that reported it may have had it a while first? Maybe they tweaked it to help prove their point, hoping the rest might be lower than they turned out to be? Either way, fishy that only one was affected. And hard to say Pats did that one on purpose, because if it makes a difference, it would mess them up to keep swapping them every play and have one that's off.
Another fun one, turns out the Browns got busted for someone up in the box texting in play calls during a game. Again, Browns, so no one gives a shit. Very obviously illegal, no? Do play calls affect integrity of a game? Hard to say no.
So, when you look at the meat of Deflategate again, why is that one a big legacy-tarnishing scandal, and the others not mentioned? Other than people hating the Pats, that is? If they did something, fine with getting called on it, but BS witch hunts are getting kinda laughable at this point. Especially when the media and the country blantantly ignore larger and more obvious cheating issues to debate about whether it's fair that Tom Brady may have tied his shoe laces right over left instead of the traditional left over right, gotta be an unfair advantage, no?
On a semi-related note, maybe it'll make Peach feel better if she knew 2 Pats players, including Gronk, got fined for their role in the fight at the end of the game. As well as 2 Seahawks that were caught up in it. And the douche WR that mimed taking a dump on the ball was obviously fined as well.
If you want to bitch about a 1st round pick and 750k being a slap on the wrist, though, guess you could ask why the Broncos only got fined 50k and no draft pick for when they did the same thing in 2010, 3 years after spygate...
In general, NFL staff and national media don't like Belichick, so shit with him gets blown out of proportion. Things that would get the Pats vilified don't even get a passing mention when other teams do them. The "spying" above an obvious example. No one appears to give a shit about the Falcons at the moment because they suck, but same week as Deflategate, turns out the Falcons got busted for piping in fake crowd noise to gain a competitive advantage when playing other teams. Kinda funny there's no outrage there, no cheating discussion, etc, huh? And not a one-time thing, came out there's at least 2 years of history there
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ut-falcons-noise-piping-scandal-is-much-worse
And as for Deflategate? Despite all the targeted leaks, almost all of those stories have since been recanted or proven false. For example, the 2 psi per ball that supposedly the Pats balls were under, you know, the part that made them cheaters? Latest report is that 11 of those 12 balls were actually in the 12.3 or 12.4 range, which is MORE than perfectly obviously a weather factor thing, since they are filled and measured indoors. Yes, if Pats had filled to 13.5 vice 12.5 they would have stayed in range, but no one (that NFL could think of) has ever measured one during a game if it was legal at the start, so funny there. That 12th ball was the only one significantly under, around 2 psi. Can't speak to which ball and chain of custody, etc, but if that's the one the Colts had, and it wandered a bit before getting checked, kinda funny that only one was way under, no? And that the team that reported it may have had it a while first? Maybe they tweaked it to help prove their point, hoping the rest might be lower than they turned out to be? Either way, fishy that only one was affected. And hard to say Pats did that one on purpose, because if it makes a difference, it would mess them up to keep swapping them every play and have one that's off.
Another fun one, turns out the Browns got busted for someone up in the box texting in play calls during a game. Again, Browns, so no one gives a shit. Very obviously illegal, no? Do play calls affect integrity of a game? Hard to say no.
So, when you look at the meat of Deflategate again, why is that one a big legacy-tarnishing scandal, and the others not mentioned? Other than people hating the Pats, that is? If they did something, fine with getting called on it, but BS witch hunts are getting kinda laughable at this point. Especially when the media and the country blantantly ignore larger and more obvious cheating issues to debate about whether it's fair that Tom Brady may have tied his shoe laces right over left instead of the traditional left over right, gotta be an unfair advantage, no?
On a semi-related note, maybe it'll make Peach feel better if she knew 2 Pats players, including Gronk, got fined for their role in the fight at the end of the game. As well as 2 Seahawks that were caught up in it. And the douche WR that mimed taking a dump on the ball was obviously fined as well.
I can think of one: The reason the Jets 'caught' the Pats doing it is because their new head coach that year was the former Pats defensive coordinator, who was heavily involved in the process and knew exactly what was going on, who to look for and when to report them. He was trying to make a name for himself and take down his former boss and division rival. So obviously caught the Pats red handed violating the memo.
NFL was content to not turn this into a league-wide scandal, and went after the team they caught doing it. No other active coaches spoke up, because who is going to stand up and say "me too!" while they are handing out fines and lost draft picks? A few former coaches spoke up, but everyone was busy piling on the Pats, so it died there. I'd bet a year's salary that more than a few other teams went down into the basement and burned a good amount of their own game film that week. Any takers? Doubt it.
To that end, Herm Edwards went on the record saying not only was it common and teams knew about it, he used to make a point of trying to smile and wave at the guys filming him
"At times, we would wave at the guy that was filming over there," a member of that Jets staff said in September. "We just gave false signals and waved at the camera. I don't know if they picked up our signals or not. We didn't really worry about it too much."
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