But then the Doctor and First Officer were both afflicted. In the episode Obsession the following exchange occurs:
"Lonely Among Us" the end of Picard's Career?
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If one can't see the difference in the events of "Lonely Among Us", where a frightened energy life form is accidentally captured by the Enterprise and is moving from person to person trying to escape and "The Inner Light", where a race sends a probe designed to immobilize a person, drill into their brain and deposit memories then attempt to kill the person if anyone interferes. Then nothing I say will make a difference.
If one can't see the difference in the events of "Lonely Among Us", where a frightened energy life form is accidentally captured by the Enterprise and is moving from person to person trying to escape and "The Inner Light", where a race sends a probe designed to immobilize a person, drill into their brain and deposit memories then attempt to kill the person if anyone interferes. Then nothing I say will make a difference.
You probably won't see the common points with this and a "frightened" tiger eating the villagers one after the other as a way to survive...
I find your wording quite selective, but in any case, your saying they're different forms of rape?
If one can't see the difference in the events of "Lonely Among Us", where a frightened energy life form is accidentally captured by the Enterprise and is moving from person to person trying to escape and "The Inner Light", where a race sends a probe designed to immobilize a person, drill into their brain and deposit memories then attempt to kill the person if anyone interferes. Then nothing I say will make a difference.
I find your wording quite selective, but in any case, your saying they're different forms of rape?While being raped.
If one can't see the difference in the events of "Lonely Among Us", where a frightened energy life form is accidentally captured by the Enterprise and is moving from person to person trying to escape and "The Inner Light", where a race sends a probe designed to immobilize a person, drill into their brain and deposit memories then attempt to kill the person if anyone interferes. Then nothing I say will make a difference.
Some apparently more acceptable than others...
They were old friends, so she was compromised, but to that point, why was she CMO of The Enterprise in the first place? She can't have had an objective view on her Captain (and his mental state) to relieve him when they had been friends for 2 decades or so.
So much for Riker's insistence to Deanna when she passed her bridge officer exam that "the ship comes first".
Well in that simulation, she ordered Geordi to his death, not Riker, I'm not sure she would have been quite able to pull the trigger if it was the latter.
And that makes me question the validity of the exam.
What sort of validity would the exam need? It isn't going to make Troi an expert in any field, but it does open her eyes to various possibilities, which is all Riker can hope for.
Even if the test was "for real" and Troi sent a friend to death without flinching, this would prove nothing about how Troi would behave in a real crisis. And would Starfleet really be interested in somebody who knows it is a test and deems it fit to kill people anyway?
Timo Saloniemi
Even if the test was "for real" and Troi sent a friend to death without flinching, this would prove nothing about how Troi would behave in a real crisis. And would Starfleet really be interested in somebody who knows it is a test and deems it fit to kill people anyway?
Timo Saloniemi
And would Starfleet really be interested in somebody who knows it is a test and deems it fit to kill people anyway?
You're a sick man, Timo.
What sort of validity would the exam need? It isn't going to make Troi an expert in any field, but it does open her eyes to various possibilities, which is all Riker can hope for.
Even if the test was "for real" and Troi sent a friend to death without flinching, this would prove nothing about how Troi would behave in a real crisis. And would Starfleet really be interested in somebody who knows it is a test and deems it fit to kill people anyway?
Timo Saloniemi
Starfleet is interested in bridge officers that put the ship's interest before the life of a member of the crew, regardless of who that member is. They court martial the ones that don't.
I didn't see any court martial in that episode.
"Titular" in the sense that the court martial is right there in the title. Supposedly, expending Ben Finney's life wasn't allowed, even when the action clearly protected the ship and the 429 lives remaining aboard and when even the prosecution acknowledged that much.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I thought that the reasons Kirk was court-martialled were:
1) Kirk lied in his sworn deposition, right at the start of the episode
2) The flight recorder showed that he had not followed proper procedure, putting Finney's life in danger unnecessarily.
The problem is not that Finney died saving the ship upon Kirk's orders, it is that Kirk failed to give him the chance to live and save the ship - had Kirk gone to Red Alert prior to jettisoning the pod, Finney would have had ample time to get to safety.
At least according to the altered computer records.
1) Kirk lied in his sworn deposition, right at the start of the episode
2) The flight recorder showed that he had not followed proper procedure, putting Finney's life in danger unnecessarily.
The problem is not that Finney died saving the ship upon Kirk's orders, it is that Kirk failed to give him the chance to live and save the ship - had Kirk gone to Red Alert prior to jettisoning the pod, Finney would have had ample time to get to safety.
At least according to the altered computer records.
It was still supposedly a matter of mere seconds. So Kirk erred on the side of caution in a tight spot - good for him! (Although bad for Finney, supposedly.)
Failing to follow procedure may have been among Kirk's charges, but in practice it wouldn't have been much of a factor, as supposedly going to the Ion Pod during a storm was fraught with danger in any case. In practical terms, Finney was going to what might be his death, and going willingly.
It's a bit odd that the defense doesn't tackle such issues. But not nearly as odd as the fact that the defense does nothing at all! Avoiding an unnecessary defensive stance, one that might be interpreted as confession of wrongdoing, seems to have been central to Cogley's strategy.
Timo Saloniemi
Failing to follow procedure may have been among Kirk's charges, but in practice it wouldn't have been much of a factor, as supposedly going to the Ion Pod during a storm was fraught with danger in any case. In practical terms, Finney was going to what might be his death, and going willingly.
It's a bit odd that the defense doesn't tackle such issues. But not nearly as odd as the fact that the defense does nothing at all! Avoiding an unnecessary defensive stance, one that might be interpreted as confession of wrongdoing, seems to have been central to Cogley's strategy.
Timo Saloniemi
Um, Timo, I don't know why you're insisting on this. Mytran is right, the only thing Court martial is about is a procedural discrepancy. Everyone knew Finney was dead when Kirk arrived. There was no problem. It wasn't until they discovered Kirk launched the pod before red alert that a hearing was called.
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