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Why did Dr. Korby commit suicide?

Korby said that he only copied Kirk's consciousness into the android but could have continued the transference of Kirk's consciousness so that it completely went into the android double.

Ruk said that the Old Ones started turning the androids off and the Old Ones were destroyed by the androids. Maybe Ruk when he first started tending the machines wrote a new subroutine into the android's programming that would recognize emotional tendencies and "rewrite" them with a more logical mechanical behavior.

Maybe Korby was trapped in a living nightmare inside the android body as Ruk's subroutine was slowly erasing his humanity from the android's brain. He was prevented from talking about the android plot to subjugate others much like an assimilated being by the Borg. The appearance of Chapel could have awakened Korby's humnan half and the subroutine flared even more to rewrite such unacceptable behavior. Korby recognized his losing battle and didn't want the androids to take over other worlds so he killed himself along with the last android, Andrea. A subtle horror story written by Robert Bloch.
 
Korby said that he only copied Kirk's consciousness into the android but could have continued the transference of Kirk's consciousness so that it completely went into the android double.

Ruk said that the Old Ones started turning the androids off and the Old Ones were destroyed by the androids. Maybe Ruk when he first started tending the machines wrote a new subroutine into the android's programming that would recognize emotional tendencies and "rewrite" them with a more logical mechanical behavior.

Maybe Korby was trapped in a living nightmare inside the android body as Ruk's subroutine was slowly erasing his humanity from the android's brain. He was prevented from talking about the android plot to subjugate others much like an assimilated being by the Borg. The appearance of Chapel could have awakened Korby's human half and the subroutine flared even more to rewrite such unacceptable behavior. Korby recognized his losing battle and didn't want the androids to take over other worlds so he killed himself along with the last android, Andrea. A subtle horror story written by Robert Bloch.


If you dig too deep, it does become a horror story. Horror is one of the less-discussed aspects of the series, but it's there if you want to see it.


The Old Ones did not have direct drive turntables. So Ruk had to keep changing the belts when they got dry and worn. Then there were those rap 'droids scratching all the time...zoopa-zoopa-zoopa!


That sounds like the Boogie robots in Despicable Me. And Ruk is not down with that. He thinks he's too cool to boogie.
 
If you dig too deep, it does become a horror story. Horror is one of the less-discussed aspects of the series, but it's there if you want to see it.
It was written by Robert Bloch, who wrote the novel Psycho. And people are surprised the episode's a horror story?
 
Mentioning the turntable device, did anyone here try replicating the "Kirk cloning" sequence using an LP record player, a Mego action figure and a crudely sculpted wad of Play-Doh? A wacky friend of mine, Sam (who grew up to look like Weird Al Yankovic, yet didn't know who the performer was for the longest time), tried that in the mid 70s. He got rather decent at "paper-craft" and constructed the locking brace/censor bar to secure the doll and douh-boy lump. Of course, the clay was considerably heavier than the action figure, so the arrangement was inherently off-balance. It got up to speed and before we could do anything, the "platform" broke free of the turntable, sailed a few feet and smacked his family's cat who was standing a bit too close!

Sincerely,

Bill

Oh please, stop! I'm not wearing my Depends tonight!

To answer the OP, I think it was the line of dialog for Christine Chapel that was edited out of the scene where she meets Andrea for the first time:

"Roger darling, I love your collection of steak knives. Tell me dear, what are your thoughts regarding castration?"
 
In the final scenes of "What are Little Girls Made Of?" Dr. Roger Korby, confronted by his own failings and his less than human nature now that he inhabits an android body, commits suicide while smooching the android Andrea.

Umm, technically Korby doesn't kill himself. It's Andrea who pushes the trigger. You know, the 'droid who just killed one of her brothers-in-artificial-arms by mistake and was trying to cope with the fact that she was now an accredited murderer. Plus with the whole kissing thing.

So we can debate whether Korby wanted that to happen (that is, his hand helps Andrea's in pressing the trigger), or whether he wanted nothing of the sort and only too late realized that Andrea was holding that gun (that is, his hand makes that realization but is too slow to do anything about it).

Timo Saloniemi
 
Umm, technically Korby doesn't kill himself. It's Andrea who pushes the trigger. You know, the 'droid who just killed one of her brothers-in-artificial-arms by mistake and was trying to cope with the fact that she was now an accredited murderer. Plus with the whole kissing thing.

So we can debate whether Korby wanted that to happen (that is, his hand helps Andrea's in pressing the trigger), or whether he wanted nothing of the sort and only too late realized that Andrea was holding that gun (that is, his hand makes that realization but is too slow to do anything about it).

Timo Saloniemi


I always thought Korby meant to push the trigger and Andrea did not. But Andrea was violating a basic rule of phaser safety: she had her finger on the trigger when she wasn't about to shoot something.
 
In the final scenes of "What are Little Girls Made Of?" Dr. Roger Korby, confronted by his own failings and his less than human nature now that he inhabits an android body, commits suicide while smooching the android Andrea.

Umm, technically Korby doesn't kill himself. It's Andrea who pushes the trigger. You know, the 'droid who just killed one of her brothers-in-artificial-arms by mistake and was trying to cope with the fact that she was now an accredited murderer. Plus with the whole kissing thing.

So we can debate whether Korby wanted that to happen (that is, his hand helps Andrea's in pressing the trigger), or whether he wanted nothing of the sort and only too late realized that Andrea was holding that gun (that is, his hand makes that realization but is too slow to do anything about it).

Timo Saloniemi

Korby knew she was holding the gun, and he also wraps his hand around the hand that is holding the gun and presses. If that's not deliberate, I don't know what is.
 
^ Which is funny considering how TNG embraced the concept of an android being a valued member of the crew. The implied message in "What are little girls made of?" is that androids can be hot, but they don't belong in human society.

The difference being, of course, is that Data from the get-go was an android, no pretense, no deception, no masquerading as a real living being.

The Kor-bots, on the other hand, were an attempt to replace the living body, and allow at least some part of the original being to continue in exist/live, in a way or to even replace the person even prior to their body ceasing to work.
 
Kor-Bots... I like that! It seems so obvious, but I've never before read that term.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
No, but a friend and I soaked a $6 Million Dollar Man in gas and lit it on fire. Forgetting we were in his garage. Very tall flames for a few seconds up to the rafters. But all ended well. Amazing what kids will do.
 
He was a malfunctioning robots. He never was a human being, he just behaved like one, just like some complicated puppet, would make you believe (if you are a child) that it has actual feelings.

" Pinocchio is broken."
 
Suicide is another indicator of the defective transfer of Korby into the android.
That is a good point.

Kor-Bot* Korby was casual of killing, obviously unlike the real Korby was. I gotta wonder if that casual disregard of existence extended to his own existence as well, especially once he realized that he wasn't like the real Korby. Perhaps in destroying himself, the Kor-Bot was, in a way, casually solving the problem of eliminating what the real Korby would have perceived as a threat to humanity.

Andrea was a part of that plan, too, so she needed to be dealt with. In addition, I believe that whatever of Korby was left in the android was finally repulsed by Andrea's efforts to emote, and he saw her as it were as an example of what little girls are not made of. Since killing was to Ruk and the Kor-Bots nothing more than switching off a light, the issues with her existence were taken care of in the same way.

* - Yeah, what a great name, f14peter!

In addition, considering the age of the android construct, it seems odd that it started to break down. Ruk lasted for many centuries with little mental degradation. Maybe because he was made by the Old Ones?
Well, Kor-bot Korby's mental breakdown occurred after coming into contact with the landing party, and that party included Korby's fiancée. Prior to that, existence was likely much more routine (computer-science-related pun intended, I suppose). Once the landing party came, existence was much more dynamic, and I think that coping with that exposed unexpected flaws in the androids and in Kor-Bot Korby's plan.

^ Which is funny considering how TNG embraced the concept of an android being a valued member of the crew. The implied message in "What are little girls made of?" is that androids can be hot, but they don't belong in human society.
Well, the Kor-Bots were intended to replace humanity, not cohabit with it.

Korby didn't intentionally suicide. He meant to knock of Andrea, and thought she was carrying a hollow-point phaser. Turns out it was loaded with full plasma jacket ammo.
No.

Korby said that he only copied Kirk's consciousness into the android but could have continued the transference of Kirk's consciousness so that it completely went into the android double.

Ruk said that the Old Ones started turning the androids off and the Old Ones were destroyed by the androids. Maybe Ruk when he first started tending the machines wrote a new subroutine into the android's programming that would recognize emotional tendencies and "rewrite" them with a more logical mechanical behavior.

Maybe Korby was trapped in a living nightmare inside the android body as Ruk's subroutine was slowly erasing his humanity from the android's brain. He was prevented from talking about the android plot to subjugate others much like an assimilated being by the Borg. The appearance of Chapel could have awakened Korby's humnan half and the subroutine flared even more to rewrite such unacceptable behavior. Korby recognized his losing battle and didn't want the androids to take over other worlds so he killed himself along with the last android, Andrea. A subtle horror story written by Robert Bloch.
That's an interesting idea. Kor-Bot Korby did say that Ruk was tending the machinery. I suppose that what would have been in Ruk's mind as "fixing" it is not at all out of the question.

In the final scenes of "What are Little Girls Made Of?" Dr. Roger Korby, confronted by his own failings and his less than human nature now that he inhabits an android body, commits suicide while smooching the android Andrea.

Umm, technically Korby doesn't kill himself. It's Andrea who pushes the trigger. You know, the 'droid who just killed one of her brothers-in-artificial-arms by mistake and was trying to cope with the fact that she was now an accredited murderer. Plus with the whole kissing thing.

So we can debate whether Korby wanted that to happen (that is, his hand helps Andrea's in pressing the trigger), or whether he wanted nothing of the sort and only too late realized that Andrea was holding that gun (that is, his hand makes that realization but is too slow to do anything about it).

Timo Saloniemi

Korby knew she was holding the gun, and he also wraps his hand around the hand that is holding the gun and presses. If that's not deliberate, I don't know what is.

Uh, yeah. There's no debate here, because there's no question that Kor-Bot Korby intentionally caused the weapon to disintegrate both himself and Andrea.
 
The problem is, that if the Korby android was unable to properly understand various human emotions (love, devotion, etc.) then how did it feel despair?

I think the Korby-bot felt something, some simulation of emotion, to the point it felt like it was really Korby and loved Chapel. But when it came down to it and she made it clear that it lacked the essentials of Korby's humanity, it realized it wasn't what it wanted to be, but just a phony. So, what was the point of going on?

Korby knew she was holding the gun, and he also wraps his hand around the hand that is holding the gun and presses. If that's not deliberate, I don't know what is.

Yeah, there's no question about it, you can see his thumb mash her finger down on the trigger.
 
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Either that or he thought he was squeezing something of Andrea's. ;)

Sincerely,

Bill
 
Korby knew she was holding the gun, and he also wraps his hand around the hand that is holding the gun and presses. If that's not deliberate, I don't know what is.

Of course.

If Korby did not intend to kill himself, then it is a pointless action which fails to support his crisis / realization of identity only moments before. Obviously, Korby's crisis moved him to end the entire charade by destroying himself and Andrea.

That was the natural conclusion for a copy who realized he was not the stuff men are made of--no flesh, no soul.
 
Wow, this is a very interesting thread!

Transmit?

I love this episode, always have. I love Shatner's performance, I love Ruk, I Andrea, the costumes.

It's damn near flawless except that there's no McCoy at all.

Still, everyone did a great job. Too bad Majel's Chapel didn't another episode or another chance to shine the way she did in this episode.

I just realized that the line "Dr. Korby...was never here." was another chilling piece of dialogue comparable to the more often cited, "Androids don't eat, Miss Chapel. ::grin::"

Phenomenal episode. CRIMINALLY underrated.
 
If Korby did not intend to kill himself, then it is a pointless action

Well, not exactly - it would be classic just punishment for his vanity, to be killed by his own creation for reasons that at least border on irony (Andrea having learned to love, and now finding she can't get love from any of the men present, while having a precedent for dealing with that, namely disintegration).

But yeah, it clearly wasn't the dramatic intent. Although it would be a possible interpretation.

Did Korby realize he had no soul? Or did he just realize that Christine was a narrow-minded bitch who couldn't love him like she had promised to, even though nothing had changed (but the nature of his physical innards) - and there thus was to be no reward for all his toiling, no reason to press on with all this making-the-future-brighter stuff, no reason to live?

That Kirk would gloat over Korby's death would mainly be for Chapel's benefit: if she remained in the belief that it wasn't Roger who had just committed suicide because of her, she'd be better off mentally.

Timo Saloniemi
 
A lot of good points so far.


I never really notice until thinking and reading this thread, Phasers don't seem to have any trigger guards. Strange, I wonder if the trigger needs some kind of special contact, it'd be bad if it went off in your pocket. :wah:

I'm reminded a lot from this discusion about Losira and her simulacra. There was never any intent that those were actually her but her personality came through from the copying and the supposed guardians seemed to regret having to kill. M-5 has a similar theme, also.

So Kor-bot Korby believed he was Korby until reality slapped him in the face and what was left of his own personality couldn't live with what he had become so he showed himself out with a laser on maximum.
 
Did Korby realize he had no soul? Or did he just realize that Christine was a narrow-minded bitch who couldn't love him like she had promised to, even though nothing had changed (but the nature of his physical innards) - and there thus was to be no reward for all his toiling, no reason to press on with all this making-the-future-brighter stuff, no reason to live.

Chapel made numerous attempts to maintain her level of affection for Korby. It was when he demonstrated that his goals, thought processes, and emotions had been irrevocably altered that she withdrew her affections.

In addition, considering the fact that he had left her for almost five years with no attempts at contact, the fact that she was still willing to attempt to love him was a real credit to the depth of her devotion.
 
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