Gotham - Season 1
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Bruce's parents murdered her father and put Ivy on the street.
But noooooooooo, pay her off with $20 becuase the other girl is prettier, yeah sure that's commensurate.
Ivy is the person who deserves a room at Wayne Manor, or just a fricking allowance/stipend... No. Boarding school. So what if her future was going to be bleak and shitty no matter what, dad is dead, and mother ran off, and she's on the street which either means drug addiction or prostitution in the next couple weeks, and the Wayne family is to blame.
(Nine year old Street Psycho to botanist? How does she swing that?)
You can't save every one, actually Bruce probably could, at least every child, but this one is on you Batboy, because your parents were murdered by the wrong people who had to murder even more people to cover up the reasons your parents deserved to die and couldn't protect themselves despite being billionaires.
Exactly how much has security at Wayne manor been beefed up since gun men broke in to take Selena ony weeks after mum and dad were murdered? There had at least now better be a mine field or two?
Was there any transition between Cat and Selena? It's almost like the name change was because the editors were asleep at the wheel?
But noooooooooo, pay her off with $20 becuase the other girl is prettier, yeah sure that's commensurate.
Ivy is the person who deserves a room at Wayne Manor, or just a fricking allowance/stipend... No. Boarding school. So what if her future was going to be bleak and shitty no matter what, dad is dead, and mother ran off, and she's on the street which either means drug addiction or prostitution in the next couple weeks, and the Wayne family is to blame.
(Nine year old Street Psycho to botanist? How does she swing that?)
You can't save every one, actually Bruce probably could, at least every child, but this one is on you Batboy, because your parents were murdered by the wrong people who had to murder even more people to cover up the reasons your parents deserved to die and couldn't protect themselves despite being billionaires.
Exactly how much has security at Wayne manor been beefed up since gun men broke in to take Selena ony weeks after mum and dad were murdered? There had at least now better be a mine field or two?
Was there any transition between Cat and Selena? It's almost like the name change was because the editors were asleep at the wheel?
No, sweetie- the cops murdered (framed) Mario Pepper. And Mama Pepper slit her wrists.
Bullock said that anyone who gets murdered usually deserves it.
There's a string of causal events here, and I don't think that the Waynes are entirely innocent, they allowed themselves to become targets, even if it's just that they were stupid enough not to be aware that they were pissing someone off who you shouldn't piss off.
(It's the age old question "Do you think your average Stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet?")
Mario Pepper's death and then Ivy's homelessness, were collateral damage because the Wayne's were not tidy enough to be murdered without the entire city shaking.
Why do billionaires walk down Crime Alley at midnight without close protection?
There's a string of causal events here, and I don't think that the Waynes are entirely innocent, they allowed themselves to become targets, even if it's just that they were stupid enough not to be aware that they were pissing someone off who you shouldn't piss off.
(It's the age old question "Do you think your average Stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet?")
Mario Pepper's death and then Ivy's homelessness, were collateral damage because the Wayne's were not tidy enough to be murdered without the entire city shaking.
Why do billionaires walk down Crime Alley at midnight without close protection?
You know, that's what I'm struggling with. The Waynes knew about corruption within their own company. They had to have known that someone (or several someones) had it out for them. Yet they just bopped out of a theater without a car waiting for them. And if Bruce remembered correctly, they bopped into a dark alley while waiting for a cab.
I'm starting to wonder if Alfred was lying down on the job that night and they had to take a cab.
Alfred would have to be in charge of martialling a staff of hundreds to keep that house clean and full of necessities.
Alfred drives Bruce around because Bruce is his son now.
Back when Thomas and Martha were running things, Alfred organized the rosters to make sure that at least three cars were running/ready at all times, which would be staffed by at least four shifts. Which is around 12 guys in leather caps all needing to be paid and have the appropriate amount of breaks and be subject to humane practices.
Alfred drives Bruce around because Bruce is his son now.
Back when Thomas and Martha were running things, Alfred organized the rosters to make sure that at least three cars were running/ready at all times, which would be staffed by at least four shifts. Which is around 12 guys in leather caps all needing to be paid and have the appropriate amount of breaks and be subject to humane practices.
Originally the name Crime Alley came from the Waynes being murdered there and it wasn't an actual alley just a street near the movie theater. After the Wayne murders the area went down hill.
And then Leslie built a free clinic there, which really attracted the dregs. 
How come Oliver got Diggle, but Thea was allowed to walk around unaccompanied getting high and driving into trees?
Is David learning any martial arts in his spare time? By season three, the audience is going to expect him to step up and kick some teeth in sometimes when the situations is called for. He's got three years to learn some stage combat, or is Mazouz going to rely on stunt doubles a lot?
How come Oliver got Diggle, but Thea was allowed to walk around unaccompanied getting high and driving into trees?
Is David learning any martial arts in his spare time? By season three, the audience is going to expect him to step up and kick some teeth in sometimes when the situations is called for. He's got three years to learn some stage combat, or is Mazouz going to rely on stunt doubles a lot?
Thea's the second child and not the heir. They do what they want.And then Leslie built a free clinic there, which really attracted the dregs.
How come Oliver got Diggle, but Thea was allowed to walk around unaccompanied getting high and driving into trees?
Is David learning any martial arts in his spare time? By season three, the audience is going to expect him to step up and kick some teeth in sometimes when the situations is called for. He's got three years to learn some stage combat, or is Mazouz going to rely on stunt doubles a lot?
All he has to do is learn how to look good on camera till they cut to the stunt guy.
While Oliver was dead, she was the heir, and now that Tommy is dead she's a double heir.
Although with Moira's death, Thea got her chunk of change and Oliver lost a shit ton of money (and massively depreciated their stocks in Queen Consolidated) when he fumbled the company... Oliver does not know that he has a kid yet, (Mmmmm... Berlin.) so unless he's projecting a relationship with Felicity, and wrote a will that anticipated that they'd be married by the time he died, Oliver's "current" will will/should give Thea everything as soon as someone tells the girl that ra's al Ghul murdered her brother 3 episodes ago.
Although with Moira's death, Thea got her chunk of change and Oliver lost a shit ton of money (and massively depreciated their stocks in Queen Consolidated) when he fumbled the company... Oliver does not know that he has a kid yet, (Mmmmm... Berlin.) so unless he's projecting a relationship with Felicity, and wrote a will that anticipated that they'd be married by the time he died, Oliver's "current" will will/should give Thea everything as soon as someone tells the girl that ra's al Ghul murdered her brother 3 episodes ago.
Right. Actually it was the nickname that the entire neighborhood, Park Row, acquired after the murders. I wrote an article about it on my blog:
Batman advisory: There is no alley in Crime Alley!
In short, the original comics versions of the Wayne murder showed it happening on a well-lit street corner. The story that introduced the name "Crime Alley" showed it happening on the sidewalk of a brownstone street, just two doors down from the movie theater. But every screen adaptation except Batman: The Animated Series has portrayed it literally as an actual alley, which just doesn't make sense.
Moira wanted Diggle to keep Oliver in line and curb his partyboy behaviour and keep him in line.
She didn't think Thea was heading down the same track and didn't need the same oversight.
Also CTV in Canada is advertising tonight's episode of Gotham is being hyped as as "special event". Anyone know of something "special" for it?
Didn't you hear? Jeff Lynne has a new song now. It's called "Stay With Me."
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As others have pointed out, it's really just a major mistake by the writers. They didn't realize that Crime Alley became Crime Alley because of the Waynes' murders, not that it was an absolute shithole prior to it.
I hope the Penguin doesn't kill that bus full of church folk....
Pretty good one. Some fun moments, like Maroni's game of truth or dare with Penguin, and the beginning of Nygma's life of crime, more or less. Plus Julian Sands as a villain, and a fair amount of Morena Baccarin looking stunning. (Hey, they were both agents of the Ori in Stargate SG-1.)
And was Harvey really opening up about his fears, or just putting on an act either to lure out the killer or try to score with the redhead?
And was Harvey really opening up about his fears, or just putting on an act either to lure out the killer or try to score with the redhead?
I still have zero interest in any scene involving Bruce, that just feels so wrong in a series called Gotham.
Bat-Who?
Gotham is enough.
Gotham is enough.
I've been saying this since before the show premiered and I'm going to continue saying it until the show is cancelled. Kill off Bruce Wayne. It'll get rid of the dead weight and grant freedom from the shackles of Batman continuity.
Imagine a pissed off, badass Alfred mourning the death of all three Waynes. You could make him an anti-hero vigilante who goes after the mob and occasionally crosses paths with Gordon.
Imagine a pissed off, badass Alfred mourning the death of all three Waynes. You could make him an anti-hero vigilante who goes after the mob and occasionally crosses paths with Gordon.
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