Gotham - Season 1

[Morpheus 02]

My question is, which of Selina's stories was the lie? Did she just pretend to see the guy's face so that she could get out of being shipped to juvie, like she said, or is she now pretending she didn't see his face because she's afraid to testify?

It seems to me, though, that it was no accident on the writers' part that when Selina claimed she hadn't seen the Waynes' killer, she told Bruce to "Chill." But were they just making an in-joke for the viewers, or was Selina deliberately sending Bruce a message?

If Nygma emphasizing ELECTROcutioner is not a shout out to the Spiderman villain, and saying Iris West as a CUB Reporter is NOT a nod to Jimmy Olsen/Superman....then NO , Chill is not a reference to Wayne killer Joe Chill. It's slang kids especially in the 90's used to say

Bruce doesn't understand his feelings, or the consequences of expressing those feelings to a woman who might understand what is going on inside him a little better than he does.

1. He wants to rescue her from squalor.

2. He wants to look after her in privilege.

What Bruce didn't understand was that what he was asking Selena was to own the girl and have power over her, extracting any sense of freedom or self-reliance. He was also calling her a useless, deadbeat, fuckup, accident because she can't look after herself. If Master Wayne wasn't asking this Urchin to be her boyfriend, which he didn't think he was doing, Bruce was certainly asking to be her father, which is ridiculous. He is a boy, and other than his bank account, he is Selena Kyles' inferior in almost every conceivable way (Botboy is 12, and she's 15? If I caught a 15 year old trying to #### my 12 year old, I'd break their arm. Okay, maybe I wouldn't, but I'd want to.). She was there to save him. She was the hero larger than life who he looks up to like a god, not the other way around. How dare he! How dare he reverse their archetypal roles she was happy with with no warning!

Also only punks sit in the bitchseat.

Cat is not a weak princess who needs saving and how dare he see her as a princess. #### him.

Which is when we see how immature she is, more mature than Bruce but still a child, that she couldn't graciously let him down, because how he made her feel is not how he wanted to to make her feel, in fact the opposite. He wanted to make her feel good, and he should get points for that, even if he did make her feel awful. "Thank you, but no thank you" is the correct response. The correct response to being offered a golden fricking ticket is not to create a situation where a 12 year old boy is going to cry himself to sleep for the next 5 years.

And if in later life Billionaire Bruce Wayne continues to associate the detonation of an emotional A-Bomb in his face with arousal, it only certainly means that he will probably be a pervert making unsafe choices in who his sexual partners are going to be.

...

Barbara Kean wants to be looked after.

She is a pet searching for a new mistress or master.

Barbara Kean is not Selena Kyle.

Wow..i actually understand & agree with the majority of what Guy said!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

My question is, which of Selina's stories was the lie? Did she just pretend to see the guy's face so that she could get out of being shipped to juvie, like she said, or is she now pretending she didn't see his face because she's afraid to testify?

It seems to me, though, that it was no accident on the writers' part that when Selina claimed she hadn't seen the Waynes' killer, she told Bruce to "Chill." But were they just making an in-joke for the viewers, or was Selina deliberately sending Bruce a message?

If Nygma emphasizing ELECTROcutioner is not a shout out to the Spiderman villain, and saying Iris West as a CUB Reporter is NOT a nod to Jimmy Olsen/Superman....then NO , Chill is not a reference to Wayne killer Joe Chill. It's slang kids especially in the 90's used to say

Why would a reference to existing DC comics villain Electrocutioner be a reference to a Spider-Man villain?

Why would a reference to Iris West be a reference to Jimmy Olsen instead of just to Iris West?

Your comments don't make any sense, especially when used as justification for "Chill" not being a likely reference to Joe Chill when that --unlike your bizarre suggestions-- would actually fit the narrative.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's also depending on if that enunciation was the choice of the writer, the director or the actor.

At any link in that chain could have been someone who was positive that Spider-Man is in the Justice League of America.

Most "normal" people are pigignorant about comicbooks because comics are for babies and nerds.

Personally, it sounded to me like Ed was also into the WWE, and that's where that "accent" came from.

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I'm marathonning Early Edition, the phrase "Cub reporter" has been used at least three times, which I only noted, because of this conversation here.

 

[Forbin]

Bob is going to die after Penguin sees him kissing his mother.

Carol worked with Danny on TAXI for years.

She is clearly the go between to use if either of these penguins wanted to meet each other in real life for a friendly hello.

Actually, Carol Kane can possibly have a word to the actress playing Christine Kringle about the terrors and pitfalls of living with a Christmas themed name all year around.

Wait, what? Danny DeVito wasn't in this ep. Bob was played by a young feller named Michael Eklund.

 

[Christopher]

Why would a reference to existing DC comics villain Electrocutioner be a reference to a Spider-Man villain?

Why would a reference to Iris West be a reference to Jimmy Olsen instead of just to Iris West?

Your comments don't make any sense, especially when used as justification for "Chill" not being a likely reference to Joe Chill when that --unlike your bizarre suggestions-- would actually fit the narrative.

Exactly. It makes no sense to expect everything to follow a universal pattern. You have to judge things case by case. The former two suggestions are extreme reaches because they're both very commonplace terms -- why would anyone not use the term "cub reporter" to refer to a cub reporter? But a character using an outdated expression like "Chill" at the precise moment she was asked about the murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne? That's obviously not by chance. Context matters.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bob is going to die after Penguin sees him kissing his mother.

Carol worked with Danny on TAXI for years.

She is clearly the go between to use if either of these penguins wanted to meet each other in real life for a friendly hello.

Actually, Carol Kane can possibly have a word to the actress playing Christine Kringle about the terrors and pitfalls of living with a Christmas themed name all year around.

Wait, what? Danny DeVito wasn't in this ep. Bob was played by a young feller named Michael Eklund.

I switch tracks very quickly.

It can be confusing for some.

So I can see how you might think that I said what you think I said, but I didn't, I really didn't.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

If Nygma emphasizing ELECTROcutioner is not a shout out to the Spiderman villain, and saying Iris West as a CUB Reporter is NOT a nod to Jimmy Olsen/Superman....then NO , Chill is not a reference to Wayne killer Joe Chill. It's slang kids especially in the 90's used to say

Your logic makes my brain hurt.
1) There's no reason at all that they would reference another company's character in a completely different universe with no relation whatosever with the Batman franchise, especially in a ridiculously convoluted fashion such as that.

2) "Cub reporter" is a term for any newbie reporter. It's about as linked to Jimmy Olsen as being a redhead is. So what's next, all redheads in the show are actually "shout outs" to Jimmy Olsen, too? Hell, I bet you think Barry himself is a "shout out" to Jimmy Olsen because they're both young white guys. That's totally a real connection, man!

3) Joe Chill is a part of the Batman franchise, which this show is. That's an actual reference that had some thought put into it. Especially considering it's A) something Selina would likely know, B) it is who is widely believed to be the murderer of the Waynes, and C) she was telling it to the one character who the information has meaning to.

 

[Servo]

My question is, which of Selina's stories was the lie? Did she just pretend to see the guy's face so that she could get out of being shipped to juvie, like she said, or is she now pretending she didn't see his face because she's afraid to testify?

It seems to me, though, that it was no accident on the writers' part that when Selina claimed she hadn't seen the Waynes' killer, she told Bruce to "Chill." But were they just making an in-joke for the viewers, or was Selina deliberately sending Bruce a message?

If Nygma emphasizing ELECTROcutioner is not a shout out to the Spiderman villain, and saying Iris West as a CUB Reporter is NOT a nod to Jimmy Olsen/Superman....then NO , Chill is not a reference to Wayne killer Joe Chill. It's slang kids especially in the 90's used to say

Good lord, let it go man. I don't know why you're so desperate for it to be a shout out to a character from a completely different universe. At this point I genuinely hope you're trolling.

 

[Greg Cox]

The actor probably just stressed "ELECTRO" to emphasize the play on the word "executioner."

As in "See, I'm not just an executioneer. I'm an Electrocutioneer!"

It's as simple as that.

 

[Christopher]

^Which, again, is how the word "electrocution" originated in the first place -- as a portmanteau of "electric" and "execution."

 

[Guy Gardener]

What if you're all wrong, and Edward was just trying to suppress a sneeze?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The actor probably just stressed "ELECTRO" to emphasize the play on the word "executioner."

Maybe we should dub him the ELOcutioner!

Walka Walka Walka!

* Cub Reporter Fozzie Bear (damn, punned again) is not a reference to Jimmy Olsen.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did you accidentally find Fozzie and Kermit's "O faces"?

 

[Borgminister]

I wish ELO would put out a new album.

 

[Forbin]

You mean the ELECTROlichestra?

 

[DWF]

He's a pre-teen/ teenage boy. I don't think there's a chance in hell of that happening anytime soon. And God knows Alfred's advice isn't going to help.

I don't think Bruce sees her in that way sort of way.

a) he's concerned for her becasue of the street life she lives and b) she's the only witness to the murder of his parents so he needs her to indentify the killer.

And he has kind of a crush on her.

I mean, this is Bruce and Selina, remember? That they're attracted to each other is built into the mythos. And she keeps teasing him about kissing her . . . .

Granted, it's more puppy love than smoldering sexual tension at this age, but the show knows that the audiences knows that there's always been a romantic aspect to the Bruce/Selina dynamic. We're just seeing the early, junior-high version here.

At this point I think Bruce's only interest in Selina is that she claimed to witness the murder of his parents. I don't see any real concern for her on his part, yet. But she's been pretty creepy in her own right though hovering him while he was asleep on the couch, But then she comes across as playing a game with Bruce.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm guessing her parents are dead... Cou-Carmine Falcone-ough!

I'm guessing that Cat thinks that her parents are dead, and that she saw his parents die which is downright bonding, which would make them like siblings because the street both took their innocence... The streets took her innocence? Where did you get that one? Shut up. Maybe whatever put her on the streets took her innocence and the streets actually saved her? Flip a coin, shut up.

Bruce wants to kiss her again.

Everything he does form this point is about getting that girl to kiss him one more time.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

At this point I think Bruce's only interest in Selina is that she claimed to witness the murder of his parents. I don't see any real concern for her on his part, yet. But she's been pretty creepy in her own right though hovering him while he was asleep on the couch, But then she comes across as playing a game with Bruce.

No, Bruce definitely "likes her likes her." If anything, he's using the fact that she's a link to her parent's murder to give him an excuse to see more of her, rather than the other way around (or at best, it's 50-50).

If it was just about information, he'd likely just throw money at her.

 

[DWF]

At this point I think Bruce's only interest in Selina is that she claimed to witness the murder of his parents. I don't see any real concern for her on his part, yet. But she's been pretty creepy in her own right though hovering him while he was asleep on the couch, But then she comes across as playing a game with Bruce.

No, Bruce definitely "likes her likes her." If anything, he's using the fact that she's a link to her parent's murder to give him an excuse to see more of her, rather than the other way around (or at best, it's 50-50).

If it was just about information, he'd likely just throw money at her.

And now he's got no reason to pursue her and in any event it's doubtful he's got much access to the family money. It's hard to tell just what her angle is though, but she is playing with his emotions. His tears dried pretty quickly once he figured out she won't testify about his parent's murder.

 

[The Old Mixer]

He's definitely sweet on her.