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Terry Farrell and DS9 Season 7

Isn't possession of a person's body a pretty literal example of the possessor living vicariously through the possessee?
 
Isn't possession of a person's body a pretty literal example of the possessor living vicariously through the possessee?

Not when the possessor is the one giving the orders to the limbs of said body to move. Would you say that you live vicariously through your car?
 
In a sense, I would....I can't cruise along at 35 MPH on my own...living vicariously through someone refers to actions you can't do under your own power.

I don't think a car is a great example, since it's not a sentient being, but it works. I think the idiom requires sentience on both sides.
 
In a sense, I would....I can't cruise along at 35 MPH on my own...living vicariously through someone refers to actions you can't do under your own power.

I don't think a car is a great example, since it's not a sentient being, but it works. I think the idiom requires sentience on both sides.

I don't think the idiom includes cases of demonic possession...

I have yet to meet someone who'd say: "The devil lives vicariously through her." that would cause people to laugh if they heard it formulated that way, even the ones who believe that it is even possible, demonic possession that is.
 
Fact is, Jadzia should have died in battle, to show how war actually is.

She should, in fact it wouldn't have been hard at all.

In the battle, big hit on Defiant where Jadzia is at the helm, she gets thrown back suddenly in a shower of sparks.

Sisko: "Get her to sickbay, Mr Nog, take the helm!"

Then the battle proceeds as in the episode, at the end while celebrating...

Sisko: "Sisko to medical bay, how is Jadzia doing?"
Bashir: "I'm sorry Captain, she's dead, I've managed to save the symbiont, but Jadzia was killed instantly..."

Actual proper war death, sudden, brutal, pointless, cruel.

If I remember correctly, she at least got to spend her last moment with Worf, I think that and him doing the Death Howl were essential parts to the end of her life.

I do like your version better, just don't make the death instantaneous.
 
They had a good opportunity to kill her in a much more meaningful way in 'Change of Heart'.

Pity...
 
They had a good opportunity to kill her in a much more meaningful way in 'Change of Heart'.

Pity...

Would anyone ever have been able to forgive Worf if he left his wife to die? Even if it was for the greater good.
Worf wanted to kill muniz when he was pretty much in the same situation. Worf is a klingon, he's supposed to believe that dying while performing your duty is the best thing that can happen to you.

St wants to tell stories about aliens and their cultures, but what happens is that the writers are too dumb to keep to the initial assumption and they end up making the aliens behaving like humans, and more often than not like Americans, which for anyone from another country is often quite obvious and funny in a ridiculous way.
 
Sorry, what? What's this about the fragile hair? Sounds a bit far-fetched!

Not at all, that's quite plausible, a bad hairdo would become the center of attention if they ever dared to film regardless. It's only in episodes where it has a purpose that it can be tolerated, like when Riker was sleep deprived in Schisms for example.[/QUOTE]

According to several production people both Crusher and McFadden had become "whiners" during Season One. Gates McFadden's fine, long, red hair, lost its style under the hot studio lights, so Continuity kept sending her back to have her hair washed and reset, and makeup redone. This cost the production money in lost shooting time and, consolidated with other complaints about whining (and the stand-off with Maurice Hurley), led to her not having her contractual option picked up. It's not why McFadden was fired, but was a contributing factor in the complaints about why her character wasn't working.

When she returned for Season Three, Paramount spent money on a range of expensive red wigs that could be pre-styled, and would hold their style for longer. Then Marina Sirtis began to (half-jokingly) complain at conventions that she still had to wear her cheap, artificial, brunette fall, and this was eventually replaced by a real-hair fall for Season Four-Seven.
 
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According to several production people both Crusher and McFadden had become "whiners" during Season One. Gates McFadden's fine, long, red hair, lost its style under the hot studio lights, so Continuity kept sending her back to have her hair washed and reset, and makeup redone. This cost the production money in lost shooting time and, consolidated with other complaints about whining (and the stand-off with Maurice Hurley), led to her not having her contractual option picked up. It's not why McFadden was fired, but was a contributing factor in the complaints about why her character wasn't working.

When she returned for Season Three, Paramount spent money on a range of expensive red wigs that could be pre-styled, and would hold their style for longer. Then Marina Sirtis began to (half-jokingly) complain at conventions that she still had to wear her cheap, artificial, brunette fall, and this was eventually replaced by a real-hair fall for Season Four-Seven.
It looks like they would have saved a lot of money if they had thought about the wigs immediately instead of resetting her hair continuously which must have been tiresome and did nothing to improve her mood.
 
^ On that hair conversation I'm currently rewatching DS9 and I'm constantly wondering if Terry Farrel's extremely long ponytail is actually a clipped-on extension.

Fact is, Jadzia should have died in battle, to show how war actually is.

No. As I said in an earlier post war doesn't stop at the frontline and having her die in battle would have just opened the door to rationalize her death as "honorable".

I still think the best way to have Jadzia's death showcase the true horrors of war would have to simply have her be on a section of the Promenade that gets hit by a torpedo during a fight, or better yet in a supposed "safe zone" on the station that, despite all preparations was not safe enough and when the defiant returns from battle Worf and Sisko discover Jadzia's remains, along with those of a number of the station's civilian staff/traders. They died of asphyxiation after a rogue torpedo had caused some sort of leak.
In war no place and no person is safe, hospitals and schools and children and the elderly all fall victim to it. And I think that's something that often gets glossed over in media.
 
^ On that hair conversation I'm currently rewatching DS9 and I'm constantly wondering if Terry Farrel's extremely long ponytail is actually a clipped-on extension.

Fact is, Jadzia should have died in battle, to show how war actually is.

No. As I said in an earlier post war doesn't stop at the frontline and having her die in battle would have just opened the door to rationalize her death as "honorable".

I still think the best way to have Jadzia's death showcase the true horrors of war would have to simply have her be on a section of the Promenade that gets hit by a torpedo during a fight, or better yet in a supposed "safe zone" on the station that, despite all preparations was not safe enough and when the defiant returns from battle Worf and Sisko discover Jadzia's remains, along with those of a number of the station's civilian staff/traders. They died of asphyxiation after a rogue torpedo had caused some sort of leak.
In war no place and no person is safe, hospitals and schools and children and the elderly all fall victim to it. And I think that's something that often gets glossed over in media.

You forget one thing. TV fictions need Comedy and/or drama. You can't keep your audience interested with banal.

Besides, they tried that with Tasha and people were unhappy.
 
^Jadzia slowly suffocating in what amounts to an air-raid shelter and Worf discovering her body, completely untouched and as if sleeping is banal and undramatic?
 
^Jadzia slowly suffocating in what amounts to an air-raid shelter and Worf discovering her body, completely untouched and as if sleeping is banal and undramatic?

Not dramatic enough, besides if she died that way Worf couldn't have believed that she wasn't in Sto Vo Kor, he would have assumed that she had an honorable death and moved on, instead of participating in an attack with Bashir, O'Brien and Quark at his side. What a loss it would have been!
 
I assume the writers wanted to keep Dax if they weren't going to have Jadzia. In a sense, the symbiont is as much of the main cast as anyone, although I think we only see it on-screen once. It's also possible that some of the Season 7 episode concepts were already in the works at the time of the break-up, and since quite a few of them are Dax-centric, maybe the writers thought it would be easier to tweak one character than entire episode ideas.

Personal preference would have been that Jadzia was reassigned, I would have rather had even more Dominion War-oriented episodes with flashy space battles, political intrigue and stuff, and fewer episodes centered on the characters and their feelings.

Ermmmmm.... no, I think that is what actually set DS9 apart. It was more emotionally invested than some of the other series.
 
Please go on, ITT! I'm honored that you chose to quote something I said weeks ago, out of all the POVs in this thread, now I'm interested in why you think DS9 is the most emotionally invested Star Trek series and how that pertains to my observation!
 
Please go on, ITT! I'm honored that you chose to quote something I said weeks ago, out of all the POVs in this thread, now I'm interested in why you think DS9 is the most emotionally invested Star Trek series and how that pertains to my observation!

I don't think the symbiont is part of the cast, unless they auditioned a few of them before selecting Dax.:lol:
 
You have to have just the right look to play a good symbiont. Although Jadzia has been known to take any old ugly thing inside her....

KAPOW!
 
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