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Did Voyager Just Fail to Adapt The Changing Landscape of Televsion

It saved money.

They didn't have to keep demolishing sets so often or inventing new makeup/wardrobes for new aliens constantly. And if they were really on the ball, they could shoot several episodes simultaneously to use up one guest actor in one week but shooting three episodes.

:)
 
Gotta wonder why they spent 2 seasons pushing T'Pol and Trip together and then break them up off camera and skip ahead 4 years?

(I know why.)
 
Because they were TNG besotted dicks?

That was a huge disappointment for me. I had heard that Trip and T'Pol had a torrid affair, heard as in inferred from spoilers. One night, then ANGST, then apparently slow fizzle until death? These people (TPTB) are idiots. Just give them a romance. Really. It worked well, it was fine, they set it up so T'Pol was a damaged enough Vulcan, and kind of had a Vulcan learning disability from birth according to her mother, for her to find everything she wanted in Trip. AND they gave us in E2, from T'Pol's own mouth, that it was a wonderful love affair of decades.

Still mad.
 
Well, he's alive in those awful books and I can only surmise that they're frakking every seven years.

Christopher has a new avatar, which means that he's written a new book.

I never finished Greg's last book because I'm so bone idle.

Ebooks are shit, but paperbacks don't have screens.

ARRRGH!

Where the #### is my best of both worlds!?
 
You must invent it. You will then be rich and be able to pay the celebrity babe or boy with a beautiful voice of your choice to record any book you want.

I'm in the middle of something great in Treklit, it is Christopher, but I can't talk about it because of course it is several years old and I don't want to be spoiled. My kindle started failing to find the page I was up to so I'm back on the paper. I thought I would finish it today and be able to talk about it but I left it at home and so spent 2 hours of train travel staring out the window fantasizing instead of reading.
 
Kobayshi Maru said:
Guy Gardener said:
In your usercp is a button called "Ignore".

You can designate any number of people to become invisible who you will never have to acknowledge the existence of again because you will not see their posts any more.

Push the ignore button once, and you might have a good reason.

Push it more than 40 times and you might be a giant wuss.

I have this theory, that if someone uses the ignore function to remove every other person on this BBS from posting, that the only "entity" left is going to be god, and then you might have time to ask god one question before she runs away.
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I would never use the ignore button. I am not afraid of words.

You know: "sticks and stones... and all that.
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The ignore button is good for people who just grate on you. Personality differences where they don't do anything wrong and you never argue.. you just don't want to read that shit 'cause it isn't worth your time.

I used it once. About 5 years ago. On a different board.

It was rather annoying actually, because we'd get involved in the same conversations and I'd have to keep clicking "see what ignored poster said". And I was always annoyed.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Season one and two was basically the same as Voyager. 24 or 25 stand alone episodes. More continuity than Voyager but more than zero isn't so much of an improvement.

Season 3 was one big massive arc. Badly executed, but a B minus for effort.

Season 4 was several multipart stories.

Observe

Stand alone...

#403 Home

#410 Daedalus

#411 Observer Effect

#417 Bound

#422 These Are The Voyages

2 Parters...

#401 Storm Front, Part I
#402 Storm Front, Part II

#415 Affliction
#416 Divergence

#418 In A Mirror, Darkly - Part I
#419 In A Mirror, Darkly - Part II

#420 Demons
#421 Terra Prime

Three parters...

#404 Borderland
#405 Cold Station 12
#406 The Augments

#407 The Forge
#408 Awakening
#409 Kir'Shara

#412 Babel One
#413 United 02/04/05
#414 The Aenar

Arguable 5 parter...

#404 Borderland
#405 Cold Station 12
#406 The Augments

+

#415 Affliction
#416 Divergence
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In season one Enterprise had 1 and half mulitpart stories. The pilot and the cliff hanger at the end. Although their several detours to get their end away on Risa were somewhat hilarious. Season two had 1/2 a multipart story. Shockwave II.

Enterprise completely shifted their paradigm between season 2 and 3, and then again between season 3 and 4. I mean if the full season arc was such a success, then surely they'd try that again and hopefully learn from their mistakes last year and actually tell a cohesive 24 part story for their fourth season.
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Yes, I see what you mean, now. Thanks for the detailed response.
 
teacake said:
Because they were TNG besotted dicks?

That was a huge disappointment for me. I had heard that Trip and T'Pol had a torrid affair, heard as in inferred from spoilers. One night, then ANGST, then apparently slow fizzle until death? These people (TPTB) are idiots. Just give them a romance. Really. It worked well, it was fine, they set it up so T'Pol was a damaged enough Vulcan, and kind of had a Vulcan learning disability from birth according to her mother, for her to find everything she wanted in Trip. AND they gave us in E2, from T'Pol's own mouth, that it was a wonderful love affair of decades.

Still mad.
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I am sorry but that MACO girl was hot, plus she was really more my type of woman than T'Pol. I thought she was better suited for Trip as well.
 
But this is where Trip learned the difference between the physical and intimacy.

Of course if T'Pol was being intimate without his permission, there's a word for that.

Amanda asked for neural pressure. Was she truly interested, or was this a prelude to seduction?

Was Trip aware that he was being seduced?

Was Amanda aware that T'Pol had dibs?

Had T'Pol called dibs?

Trip screwed up the neural pressure, and T'Pol had to put her hands all over Corporal Cole for hours on end, just to dig her out of the hole Tucker pushed Mandy down into with his fumbling.

Does Vulcan Neuropressure always create love?

Wouldn't that mean that Cole now wants a bit of T'Pol, and that less than innocent Phlox had been tricking T'Pol and Trip into a relationship?

Do Vulcans have the same neropressure points as humans, or are there xenoneuropressologists, mapping the pressure points for every known race, and reconfiguring established measures to be universally usable with only a few minor inflection to the original method?
 
Guy Gardener said:
But this is where Trip learned the difference between the physical and intimacy.

Of course if T'Pol was being intimate without his permission, there's a word for that.

Amanda asked for neural pressure. Was she truly interested, or was this a prelude to seduction?

Was Trip aware that he was being seduced?

Was Amanda aware that T'Pol had dibs?

Had T'Pol called dibs?

Trip screwed up the neural pressure, and T'Pol had to put her hands all over Corporal Cole for hours on end, just to dig her out of the hole Tucker pushed Mandy down into with his fumbling.

Does Vulcan Neuropressure always create love?

Wouldn't that mean that Cole now wants a bit of T'Pol, and that less than innocent Phlox had been tricking T'Pol and Trip into a relationship?

Do Vulcans have the same neropressure points as humans, or are there xenoneuropressologists, mapping the pressure points for every known race, and reconfiguring established measures to be universally usable with only a few minor inflection to the original method?
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You may also ask yourself why the very first time Trip neuropressured T'Pol at her request, she made tiny subdued sex noises. No wonder he was confused at to her intentions, any man would have been at that point.
 
Re: Did Voyager Just Fail to Adapt to The Changing Landscape of Televs

The Overlord said:
A common criticism of Voyager, at least at first, was that it felt like a rehash of TNG, rather its own thing. The big problem is, TNG came out in 1987 and Voyager came out in 1995. By the mid 90s, television was starting change: episodic Sci-Fi series were being replaced by ones with ongoing plots: X-Files, Babylon 5 and of course DS9. Trying to recreate a popular show from 1987 in 1995 and ignoring what was going on in television at time seemed like folly, perhaps that's what Voyager from the onset.

Do you think Voyager failed to adapt to changing landscape of television from the on set?
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I think there should have been more two or even three parters.
 
If Conner Trinneer didn't pop one while filming that scene, he needs to work on his Stanislovsky. I watched that episode for the first time in public company and I was really embarrassed and definitely stayed seated. I swore off Enterprise for a couple years after that, and only started rewatching in the privacy of my own home.

It didn't take very long for me to be more self-conscious about the flimsy storyline than the sexuality.
 
JD5000 said:
If Conner Trinneer didn't pop one while filming that scene, he needs to work on his Stanislovsky. I watched that episode for the first time in public company and I was really embarrassed and definitely stayed seated. I swore off Enterprise for a couple years after that, and only started rewatching in the privacy of my own home.

It didn't take very long for me to be more self-conscious about the flimsy storyline than the sexuality.
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I felt some embarrassment too, so I can certainly sympathize. I don't think they teach method acting anymore.
 
Heh, I thought I was the only one who finally gave up on Enterprise right after Trip got his Vulcan Erotic Headache Massage.

I was already considering it, but that was the last straw.
 
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