Simon Pegg, Doug Jung To Write Star Trek 3

[Oso Blanco]

Giacchino's fine.

Yep. I've liked every score of his I've come across (sometimes considerably more than the film for which it was made).

And I really want him to stay for the next movie (which will probably the last in this series) to make this feel like a trilogy.

The completely different music in TVH (which also was part three of a trilogy) makes it feel like it didn't belong there, and I don't want that to happen to this movie.

 

[JWPlatt]

lack of time certainly does not imply quality.

Nothing ever implies quality.

That disagrees somewhat with a post elsewhere that "The film industry after all operates on one golden rule: cheap, good, or on time, you can only have two.” There is good to be found somewhere in that formula.

lack of time certainly does not imply quality.

Nothing ever implies quality.

+1

How many movies have spent years in development that turned out as garbage?

"Years" is an extreme example that is almost a truism. There's a balance between too quick and too long and all they imply.

 

[fireproof78]

Giacchino's fine.

Yep. I've liked every score of his I've come across (sometimes considerably more than the film for which it was made).

I have enjoyed both scores in the new Trek films, and would prefer he stay. But, as with the rest, I am willing to give it a go

So far, things seem to be coming together just fine for this film, so I will continue my optimism that things are going just fine for film of this size.

 

[ralph]

Can anyone tell me if JD Payne and Patrick McKay are writing the script?
If they aren´t, in my opinion, this probably means that the previous script now completely disappears in the trash.

Doug Jung works as a writer for Abrams production company Bad Robot.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

lack of time certainly does not imply quality.

Nothing ever implies quality.

That disagrees somewhat with a post elsewhere that "The film industry after all operates on one golden rule: cheap, good, or on time, you can only have two.” There is good to be found somewhere in that formula.

Um, OK....

But my point is how do you get the good. Just because you are willing to sacrifice cost or schedule to accommodate the good according to the "pick any two" project management triangle, that doesn't mean that you will necessarily get it. The lesson to be learned from the project management triangle is not to demand too much. Management is much more complicated than making decisions according to a single triangle, and many things can go wrong in a complex project.

 

[MacLeod]

Giacchino's fine.

Yep. I've liked every score of his I've come across (sometimes considerably more than the film for which it was made).

And I really want him to stay for the next movie (which will probably the last in this series) to make this feel like a trilogy.

The completely different music in TVH (which also was part three of a trilogy) makes it feel like it didn't belong there, and I don't want that to happen to this movie.

But in a sense TWOK-TSFS-TVH formed a trilogy with a narrative, i.e. The Genesis device. Whilst ST09-STID-ST16 are more a series of three films.

 

[BillJ]

But in a sense TWOK-TSFS-TVH formed a trilogy with a narrative, i.e. The Genesis device. Whilst ST09-STID-ST16 are more a series of three films.

I can easily see the Abrams films currently as a duology and easily a trilogy depending on where they go in the third film.

The destruction of Vulcan in the first film then the fallout from that destruction on the Federation and on Spock is the backbone of the second film.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

Plus, remember that the average feature-film script is about 120 pages with a lot of white space. It's not like they have to write War and Peace overnight.

This.

And, yes, the script is often being tinkered with well into post-production. And this is not necessarily a sign of disarray or confusion; it's often just about fine-tuning things as you go along.

"Gee, this scene reads great on the page, but it's falling kinda flat onstage. Maybe we can punch it up somehow . . . or perhaps we should just eliminate it altogether?"

This.

It's funny, actually. People hear about "rewrites" and "reshoots" and such and assume that this is a sign of a troubled production or a "train wreck" in the making, when this often can't be farther from the truth. Making changes throughout is just a routine part of the process.

This.

There's a reason we refer to unfinished movies (and books, for that matter) as works-in-progress. Nothing is set in stone until you have a final cut or draft--and sometimes not even then! And changing things throughout is just a routine part of the process. Really.

This.

 

[Jedi_Master]

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[Amaris]

But in a sense TWOK-TSFS-TVH formed a trilogy with a narrative, i.e. The Genesis device. Whilst ST09-STID-ST16 are more a series of three films.

I can easily see the Abrams films currently as a duology and easily a trilogy depending on where they go in the third film.

The destruction of Vulcan in the first film then the fallout from that destruction on the Federation and on Spock is the backbone of the second film.

Oh, absolutely. There's an over-arching theme to the films. I think it will be a trilogy. Of course, even more movies would be awesome!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

But in a sense TWOK-TSFS-TVH formed a trilogy with a narrative, i.e. The Genesis device. Whilst ST09-STID-ST16 are more a series of three films.

I can easily see the Abrams films currently as a duology and easily a trilogy depending on where they go in the third film.

The destruction of Vulcan in the first film then the fallout from that destruction on the Federation and on Spock is the backbone of the second film.

Oh, absolutely. There's an over-arching theme to the films. I think it will be a trilogy. Of course, even more movies would be awesome!

So, the title will be Star Trek Rises, yes?

 

[fireproof78]

But in a sense TWOK-TSFS-TVH formed a trilogy with a narrative, i.e. The Genesis device. Whilst ST09-STID-ST16 are more a series of three films.

I can easily see the Abrams films currently as a duology and easily a trilogy depending on where they go in the third film.

The destruction of Vulcan in the first film then the fallout from that destruction on the Federation and on Spock is the backbone of the second film.

I agree and think Kirk's arc makes much more sense if viewed as a continuing growth, rather than loosely connected. Similarly, with Spock's arc.

 

[M'Sharak]

Can anyone tell me if JD Payne and Patrick McKay are writing the script?
If they aren´t, in my opinion, this probably means that the previous script now completely disappears in the trash.

According to this, they are no longer writing for Star Trek:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/...nd-doug-jung-to-co-write-star-trek-3.html?rss

According to this, the script they worked on has also been discarded (though that's not stated in the MTV article they cite as a source):

http://www.movieweb.com/star-trek-3-writer-simon-pegg-chris-pine

Looks like Payne and McKay may be writing for an X-Men TV series:

http://www.latino-review.com/news/live-action-x-men-tv-series-in-the-works

 

[ChristopherPike]

The first thing Harve Bennett apparently wrote for The Search for Spock, was the ending.

In that spirit, if I were scripting this film, I'd work backwards from a shot of Matt Jeffries' classic NCC-1701 design, in orbit around Vulcan. Deliberately rolling the years back to the mid-60's, albeit with multi-million dollar photorealistic SFX to play with, that can recreate the original Enterprise.

Run the whole quest or odyssey backwards in my mind, and plot out on a board key events that might occur during this alternate 5-year mission we're in. Visits to planets, different times, encounters with alien races and so forth, which might conceivably combine to resolve in such an impossibility like the above.

Oh, and see if Chris Hemsworth's 2015 filming schedule allows any time to reprise George Kirk.

 

[Nebusj]

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[eyeresist]

I disagree but I know that doesn't mean much. I think Giacchino should stay as composer. One small thing I do know about is concert orchestration and I am very much a fan of his ever since the first Trek movie - he knows trek - he knows action - all musically. Keep him please.

His orchestration is fine (to the extent that it is "his"), but he doesn't develop and resolve his themes, he just repeats them ad nauseum.

I may be misremembering, but I could have sworn in a commentary track for IV, Nicholas Meyer says the script was split up, with Nimoy and Meyer writing the 23rd century parts, and the new writers writing the 1986 portion with only a couple of weeks elapsed during the whole process.

I don't know about the schedule, but the script was given to two outside writers, Bennett was unhappy with the result and went to Meyer, and they wrote the script again with Meyer handling the 20th century stuff and Bennett the future stuff.

 

[ralph]

Can anyone tell me if JD Payne and Patrick McKay are writing the script?
If they aren´t, in my opinion, this probably means that the previous script now completely disappears in the trash.

According to this, they are no longer writing for Star Trek:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/...nd-doug-jung-to-co-write-star-trek-3.html?rss

According to this, the script they worked on has also been discarded (though that's not stated in the MTV article they cite as a source):

http://www.movieweb.com/star-trek-3-writer-simon-pegg-chris-pine

Looks like Payne and McKay may be writing for an X-Men TV series:

http://www.latino-review.com/news/live-action-x-men-tv-series-in-the-works

What that means is that, if the script they worked on has been discarded, Simon Pegg could be writing from scratch. So, his time is short and there is no way to know if it will be finished in time or if Shatner/Nimoy will be called again (I hope not).
I’m pretty sure all of the actors in the film are going to be sucking up to Pegg now.
I believe there's a lot of meddling in the movie, but I think he will make every effort to be true to the spirit of the series
I think Pegg has a lot of respect for this kind of franchise. I think his story will be decent. I don't know how much of what he writes will get to the screen. But I have hopes.

 

[Dac]

Can anyone tell me if JD Payne and Patrick McKay are writing the script?
If they aren´t, in my opinion, this probably means that the previous script now completely disappears in the trash.

According to this, they are no longer writing for Star Trek:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/...nd-doug-jung-to-co-write-star-trek-3.html?rss

According to this, the script they worked on has also been discarded (though that's not stated in the MTV article they cite as a source):

http://www.movieweb.com/star-trek-3-writer-simon-pegg-chris-pine

Looks like Payne and McKay may be writing for an X-Men TV series:

http://www.latino-review.com/news/live-action-x-men-tv-series-in-the-works

What that means is that, if the script they worked on has been discarded, Simon Pegg could be writing from scratch. So, his time is short and there is no way to know if it will be finished in time or if Shatner/Nimoy will be called again (I hope not).
I’m pretty sure all of the actors in the film are going to be sucking up to Pegg now.
I believe there's a lot of meddling in the movie, but I think he will make every effort to be true to the spirit of the series
I think Pegg has a lot of respect for this kind of franchise. I think his story will be decent. I don't know how much of what he writes will get to the screen. But I have hopes.

I'm really not concerned with the timeframe tbh. I mean, if you gave me and my mates a writers advance and locked us in a 5 star hollywood suite, then I'm sure we could knock out a half decent script in a week. I mean, you hear about folks like Joss Whedon writing a whole new pilot for Firefly in a weekend, and other stories of that ilk so its certainly not some kind of impossibility that something good could be done in such a short time frame. Hell, wasn't the first Iron man movie essentially ad-libbed?

Pegg and Jung could well write a great script. Or just a good one. I doubt it'll be bad, as everything Pegg has written that I've seen has some kind of solid backbone to it, so I don't doubt he can write a good story. We just gotta wait and see at this point what happens.

 

[Firebird]

Can anyone tell me if JD Payne and Patrick McKay are writing the script?
If they aren´t, in my opinion, this probably means that the previous script now completely disappears in the trash.

According to this, they are no longer writing for Star Trek:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/...nd-doug-jung-to-co-write-star-trek-3.html?rss

According to this, the script they worked on has also been discarded (though that's not stated in the MTV article they cite as a source):

http://www.movieweb.com/star-trek-3-writer-simon-pegg-chris-pine

Looks like Payne and McKay may be writing for an X-Men TV series:

http://www.latino-review.com/news/live-action-x-men-tv-series-in-the-works

What that means is that, if the script they worked on has been discarded, Simon Pegg could be writing from scratch. So, his time is short and there is no way to know if it will be finished in time or if Shatner/Nimoy will be called again (I hope not).
I’m pretty sure all of the actors in the film are going to be sucking up to Pegg now.
I believe there's a lot of meddling in the movie, but I think he will make every effort to be true to the spirit of the series
I think Pegg has a lot of respect for this kind of franchise. I think his story will be decent. I don't know how much of what he writes will get to the screen. But I have hopes.

Directors like Alfred Hitchcock would routinely use multiple writers on a project, and each successive writer would NOT be allowed to use the previous writer's draft. Hitch would tell the basic concept and outline of the story to said writer, who would then go away and complete their draft. I believe Jay Presson Allen's final script of Marnie was completed and ready to shoot in only a few months in 1963, after Evan Hunter had spent a year on the script, and also after Joseph Stefano did a treatment the year before. So, it's not unknown to see situations like that happen.

 

[ralph]

I'm really not concerned with the timeframe tbh. I mean, if you gave me and my mates a writers advance and locked us in a 5 star hollywood suite, then I'm sure we could knock out a half decent script in a week. I mean, you hear about folks like Joss Whedon writing a whole new pilot for Firefly in a weekend, and other stories of that ilk so its certainly not some kind of impossibility that something good could be done in such a short time frame. Hell, wasn't the first Iron man movie essentially ad-libbed?

Pegg and Jung could well write a great script. Or just a good one. I doubt it'll be bad, as everything Pegg has written that I've seen has some kind of solid backbone to it, so I don't doubt he can write a good story. We just gotta wait and see at this point what happens.

what is the idea for star trek 3? Lindelof said there was a plan for ST 3. Is Simon going to stay with the original proposal, making some changes? Or is he going to start from scratch? New ideia, new proposal, something totally different of what it was planned. That is where the problem lies.
But you are right. If they want to do something well, they don't have to worry about release date.