Well except for this thread.
And the 53 million people who like it on Facebook and the 40k people on average who like every post made on that Facebook page and the 13k plus members of the Avatar Forums.
"Avatar" Sequels Delayed...does anybody care?
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Well except for this thread.
And the 53 million people who like it on Facebook and the 40k people on average who like every post made on that Facebook page and the 13k plus members of the Avatar Forums.
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I saw it once and it was ok. I have mostly forgotten the details. I can not remember a single characters name.
While I'm interested to see what Cameron has in store--if nothing else, the bloke has a pretty solid track record sequel-wise--I'm not exactly champing at the bit for these sequels. I'm content to wait.
As for the original Avatar: I liked it. Very competently done, well acted and one of the greatest visual spectacles in recent memory. The core plot may have been familiar (if people think 'Dances with Wolves' was the first to use that trope, they haven't seen very many films) but compared to a lot of other summer blockbusters of late, I'd call it refreshingly straight forwards. Hell, it's fucking genius level quality compared to just about anything by Michael Bay.
As for the original Avatar: I liked it. Very competently done, well acted and one of the greatest visual spectacles in recent memory. The core plot may have been familiar (if people think 'Dances with Wolves' was the first to use that trope, they haven't seen very many films) but compared to a lot of other summer blockbusters of late, I'd call it refreshingly straight forwards. Hell, it's fucking genius level quality compared to just about anything by Michael Bay.
Yeah, that movie that came out like 6 years ago? Nope. Don't care a bit. If they were going to capitalize on the movie's popularity and success with sequels and such they should have done this 4 years ago. Now is a bit late for anyone to care and the only thing people remember about the movie is how it started the whole stupid 3D craze. Because, Avatar was a 3D movie that made a billion dollars so, obviously, every 3D movie would make a billion.
Again, I think people remember a tiny bit more about Avatar than just the bolded comment.
Nobody is talking about the original movie, the moral implications or story or plot in it or any of that stuff in this thread. Or any thread.
What *this* thread is discussing is the announcement of the delaying of the potential sequels. Which is a entirely different subject than the original movie.
You took out the rest of my quote (which didn't fit the narrative you pursuing), and the majority of the posts in this thread are discussing the original movie.
If they need the time to form a more coherent story and universe please go ahead.. i'll be in the movie seat when it is released because i really like the first one even though the story is a bit basic.
I am however not biting my nails until 2017.. there is tons of huge SF movies coming out in between, from Superheroes to the mother of it all.. Star Wars so i'm set.
I am however not biting my nails until 2017.. there is tons of huge SF movies coming out in between, from Superheroes to the mother of it all.. Star Wars so i'm set.
It's not as currently discussed as the two biggest space franchises of all time? Well, then, it must be a forgotten failure! That's just simple mathema@&#zc - Whoops, apologies, my monocle fell out of place there for a moment.
Am I interested in more of Big Jim's Avatar? Sure. Am I heartbroken to wait another year for it? Nah.
Yeah. Avatar is hardly lacking in a fanbase or interest (though interest will obviously rise whenever movie production is imminent and wane when it isn't). Every franchise doesn't have to be (I for one wouldn't want them all to be) the MCU releasing two to three movies a year. If people didn't care for the original film that's fine, but projecting that It Only Succeeded Because 3D onto the entire audience and legacy of the movie is more than a bit much.
I still get the strong impression that it has less to do with popularity and much more to do with the Hollywood machine's agenda. Their mantra of 3D (and HFR) is wishful prophesy.
FWIW that was the exact same comparison I made when I saw it in the theater; certainly before Dances With Wolves or Pocahontas or [insert here].
Which doesn't negate your point of course; it's a familiar story? Sure, but that doesn't make it bad and it was a great film. I'm not chomping at the bit but I'll be happy to see more.
If I have any beef with Avatar it remains
how it robbed the name from a much-dearer-to-my-heart franchise (not it's own fault, obviously)... then Shyamafuckinglan torpedoed that even worse.
Because there's no sequels to discuss yet.
If the first movie was good, but it was greatly groundbreaking people would be discussing it, debating the battles and points of view in it. Looking at the meanings in it. Not saying, "Yeah it was decent. Sort of a Dances With Wolves rip-off, good effects and 3D, though."
If there was no sequel in the pipe and there wasn't news lately over the seuqel(s) being pushed back this thread wouldn't be here. So, no, people are not discussing it beyond, "Yes, that movie existed."
Do I care about what happens next on Pandora? No, not at all, not even a little bit.
Do I want to see the next film in the series? Only if it can surpass the experience of watching the original. Immersion was the only thing going in the first film for me. It was truly, epically impressive on that front, but that was all it had to offer, AFAIC.
That said, improving on the experience of the original could mean bringing something new to the table in any area. It doesn't just have to mean improving the immersive aspects of the experience. For example, if for whatever reason the "immersive arts" have plateaued, then improving on the original would mean improving in at least some of the other areas, such as story. There is plenty of room to do that.
Cameron has told great stories before, in T1 and Aliens, IMO in The Abyss, and in True Lies, though it has been a while, over 20 years. I haven't seen all the films he's written; I missed Piranha II and Strange Days, and I haven't had the opportunity to see Xenogenesis. However, Titanic was a colossal bore to me. He obviously knew what he was doing there in making a blockbuster, though, just as he did in Avatar, so good on him, but the sort of thing as Titanic just doesn't interest me. Rewatching Avatar on the small screen has never been engaging, and once was enough in the theater.
I wouldn't expect it to have a fandom comparable to that of Wars or Trek based on one movie, but AFAICT it isn't exactly lacking a fandom that's interested in it as ecological or spiritual or historical allegory.
I'm intrigued by those who've said it didn't work on the small screen. I watch it on the small screen a few times a year, it's not as awe-inspiring as the theatrical experience was but it holds up just fine otherwise.
Heh. Technically I think Cameron's script (which was one of the most famous unfilmed scripts for ages) got to the name first, so he comes by it honestly.
But I'm plenty fond of the "other Avatar" too. Luckily I think it's had enough success that Shyamalan's atrocity won't be the end of it on the big screen.
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Yeah I know that, but directors and studios make them for the spectacle on screen, and it works. Its more immersive.
Never saw Avatar in 3D or on the big screen. Finally saw it on DVD and while technically well done the story didn't grab me and the film looked over-designed.
I do respect the fact he is trying to make the sequels into a three part story arc with each being able to stand alone (no Han in Carbonite cliffhangers).
I do respect the fact he is trying to make the sequels into a three part story arc with each being able to stand alone (no Han in Carbonite cliffhangers).
So do we have any real information on what the plans are for sequels? I remember some vague talk about the second being focused on the sea/underwater, but what about the third?
Hush with your logic. And yeah, let's hope.
Hush with your logic.
And yeah, let's hope.
I neither care, nor am I surprised. In fact, I won't be surprised to find out later down the road there are other delays. James Cameron takes forever to make a movie these days.
And let's be honest, Avatar as a movie was crap. Sure it had very impressive visuals and is probably one of the few movies I actually recommend seeing in 3-D, but the storyline was pure unadulterated crap.
And let's be honest, Avatar as a movie was crap. Sure it had very impressive visuals and is probably one of the few movies I actually recommend seeing in 3-D, but the storyline was pure unadulterated crap.