"Agent Carter" season one discussion and spoilers
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That's a good question that I can't answer yet, since I haven't seen Wonder Woman in ages. Fortunately, the MeTV network should begin rerunning the first season two weeks from tomorrow, and I plan to start watching then. It hadn't occurred to me that there'd be an overlap with Agent Carter. It should be an interesting comparison.
It's mind-boggling to realize that the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series was closer to the actual WWII era than it is to the present.
Steve kept calling Diana's civilian secret identity ugly because she wore glasses.
Diana Prince's treatment did not get much better, but Wonder Woman was picking up tanks from the pilot so she was treated more like a third gender, rather than evidence that women are not useless.
The 70s was ignorant on how horrifically sexist it was, and assumed that it had the morally high ground to preach about the Utopia of sexual equality 1976 was in comparison to the Dark ages of World War II.
When the Nazi's invaded Paradise Island, Queen Hyppolyta didn't snap any of those Germans in half over her knee because she thought the NAZI Colonel would make good husband material... Or something like that.
The third Reich wanted to build tanks out of femizonium, the same metal wonder Woman's bracelets are made out of.
But every week, EVERY WEEK, Steve Trevor would set Diana Prince a task, and disclaim don't worry if this is too hard for you because you're just a girl, and then when she surpassed his impossibly low expectations, Steve would pat her on her head and say "Good Girl." as if she was a dog that figured out how to use a toilet.
After the perfect goddess woman disappeared, Steve goes on to marry the plump secretary comic relief, Etta Candy and have babies between seasons and dies. I really think that Trevor Snr may have been retarded, or there was something in the water? Etta wasn't that much smarter.
Diana Prince's treatment did not get much better, but Wonder Woman was picking up tanks from the pilot so she was treated more like a third gender, rather than evidence that women are not useless.
The 70s was ignorant on how horrifically sexist it was, and assumed that it had the morally high ground to preach about the Utopia of sexual equality 1976 was in comparison to the Dark ages of World War II.
When the Nazi's invaded Paradise Island, Queen Hyppolyta didn't snap any of those Germans in half over her knee because she thought the NAZI Colonel would make good husband material... Or something like that.
The third Reich wanted to build tanks out of femizonium, the same metal wonder Woman's bracelets are made out of.
But every week, EVERY WEEK, Steve Trevor would set Diana Prince a task, and disclaim don't worry if this is too hard for you because you're just a girl, and then when she surpassed his impossibly low expectations, Steve would pat her on her head and say "Good Girl." as if she was a dog that figured out how to use a toilet.
After the perfect goddess woman disappeared, Steve goes on to marry the plump secretary comic relief, Etta Candy and have babies between seasons and dies. I really think that Trevor Snr may have been retarded, or there was something in the water? Etta wasn't that much smarter.
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Good lord, the 70s hair was atrocious...especially in the pilot! It takes me right out of the show when Nazis are sporting shag and sideburns.
And of course, downtown D.C. bore a striking resemblance to Rodeo Blvd.
But hairstyles and the tone are problems with many period dramas. Essentially, nearly all period dramas are products of the time in which they are produced. Happy Days was a seventies depiction of the fifties, That Seventies Show was a nineties depiction of the seventies. Is Xena any better than Wonder Woman?
But the shag is a microcosm of the show's level of historical accuracy...and you'd be sorely mistaken referring to WW as a "drama".
Tonally, the show seemed to be trying to strike a balance between the overt campiness of Batman and a more serious action/adventure approach...with the end result being that it did neither terribly well.
As far as historical accuracy goes...from what I saw, they treated WWII very lightly...one couldn't tell from the show that there was an actual war going on overseas. One got the impression that WWII consisted of Steve Trevor's missions against Nazis operating in America. He was referred to as a war hero and it made me wonder, given the show's time setting, exactly when he was supposed to have been in combat.
Tonally, the show seemed to be trying to strike a balance between the overt campiness of Batman and a more serious action/adventure approach...with the end result being that it did neither terribly well.
As far as historical accuracy goes...from what I saw, they treated WWII very lightly...one couldn't tell from the show that there was an actual war going on overseas. One got the impression that WWII consisted of Steve Trevor's missions against Nazis operating in America. He was referred to as a war hero and it made me wonder, given the show's time setting, exactly when he was supposed to have been in combat.
Well, that pretty much was what Captain America did for the first couple of years of his comic. And in the early part of the war era on the Superman radio series, Clark Kent was recruited by the government to hunt down Nazi saboteurs in America. Then there's the really racist 1943 Batman serial, where Batman was battling a supposedly Japanese prince/mad scientist planning sabotage in the States. That was a major thread in wartime superhero and action-hero fiction, the hunt for fifth columnists on the home front. So it's not completely inauthentic for WW to use the same focus.
Comapred what I've heard of the William Dozer Wonder Woman pilot and even the Cathy Lee Crosby pilot, the Wonder Woman series was pretty dramatic. But then the first season on ABC was more or less based on the comic book, the last two seasons were closer in theme to the Bionic series with Steve Trevor even being promoted to Oscar Goldman status.
I really enjoyed the AC pilot. I'm curious if they are setting up a romance between Carter and Sousa, that was definitely the impression I got.
So is anyone else wondering if Leviathan is Hydra in general, or Zola if it's a specific person?
I'm kind of hoping that Angie is more than just a waitress, if not it's going to be weird seeing her in a show like this and not kicking ass.
Do we know yet if we're ever going to get to meet, or at least see Jarvis's wife?
So is anyone else wondering if Leviathan is Hydra in general, or Zola if it's a specific person?
I'm kind of hoping that Angie is more than just a waitress, if not it's going to be weird seeing her in a show like this and not kicking ass.
Do we know yet if we're ever going to get to meet, or at least see Jarvis's wife?
It wasn't just that they were doing stories on the homefront, it's that they were conspicuously avoiding any direct references to the actual war. No scrap drives, recruiting lines, or USO stuff for period-authentic flavor. You'd think from the show that the fighting Nazis in America thing was the entire war. It was like somebody was doing a whitewashed Saturday morning cartoon about the war.
All Star Squadron in the early eighties had a nice re-imagining of this by showing that Europe had a magical barrier around it placed by the Nazis that prevented super-heroes from entering. The heroes were forced to stay out of the war and focus on defending the home front.
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In reality, there were all those lead pipes that urban water systems used. And in the exhaust from the cars. And the paint on everything from dishware to household walls.
So...that might've been part of our problems during those decades. Along with other cultural issues still plaguing us to this day.
(Here in Canada, places like Ottawa and Toronto still haven't finished retrofitting their water distribution networks.)
All-Star Squadron showed us Pearl Harbor. All-Star Squadron (can't abbreviate that!) let us know what was happening overseas. All-Star Squadron was loaded with period-authentic wartime homefront business.
The first season of WW had none of that. I'm getting the impression that you guys actually need to watch a few episodes of WW's first season. Then you can try to make a case for what a great historical drama it was.
The first season of WW had none of that. I'm getting the impression that you guys actually need to watch a few episodes of WW's first season. Then you can try to make a case for what a great historical drama it was.
Oh I agree it was a period piece with the only true historical story about the Two Dollar Bill.
LOL (or how do I illustrate "smirk"?)--I am not a defender of WW by any means and I don't think I was trying to be.
Carter is a traitor.
For her unAmerican behaviour in the pilot, she deserve to be retained to an SSR backsite.
It doesn't matter who she is working for, she is still working against America.
Actually considering what she did in the war, why doesn't she outrank all these coozers trying to marginalize her?
Her name is Margaret? How the #### do they get Peggy from Margaret?
Is she a colonel?
http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bds_captain-america_36.jpg
Or is that the logo for the SSR on her collar?
Oh?
Yes, yes it is.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Strategic_Scientific_Reserve_(Earth-199999)
The SSR was not part of the Army and therefore did not hand out ranks.
I doubt it handed out uniforms.
For her unAmerican behaviour in the pilot, she deserve to be retained to an SSR backsite.
It doesn't matter who she is working for, she is still working against America.
Actually considering what she did in the war, why doesn't she outrank all these coozers trying to marginalize her?
Her name is Margaret? How the #### do they get Peggy from Margaret?
Is she a colonel?
http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bds_captain-america_36.jpg
Or is that the logo for the SSR on her collar?
Oh?
Yes, yes it is.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Strategic_Scientific_Reserve_(Earth-199999)
The SSR was not part of the Army and therefore did not hand out ranks.
I doubt it handed out uniforms.
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