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Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII

I haven't read the script but that makes no sense based on what's on screen. It was Anakin who told Mace that Paplatine was the Sith lord there were after. I;m sorry but it makes more sense as is

Of course it does. They spend much of the movie setting it up by having Anakin distrust the counsil, being put on the counsil without being made master, etc.

And before any of the council scenes Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill Dooku and when Obi-Wan told him to spy on Palpatine for the council and to spy on the council for Palpatine, Anakin's loyalities were already being tested.
 
There is not another entity or subject that owns more of our language and reference. Not another thing that comes up in culture as often and as ubiquitously as Star Trek. Some may argue The Bible or Shakespeare.
That's absurd.

Not really. Star Trek is in same league as far as it being influential.

There's no doubt this was/is an important show for a lot of people, and I'd never want to denigrate or disparage what the show meant/means to any one individual. However, if "Star Trek" is indeed as big and influential to the entire culture as is mentioned above, then how in the world would one describe the effect of "Star Wars" on our culture?
 
And before any of the council scenes Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill Dooku and when Obi-Wan told him to spy on Palpatine for the council and to spy on the council for Palpatine, Anakin's loyalities were already being tested.

Well, yeah. That's my point: you can see where they were going with this and changed their minds. Lucas said as much.
 
And before any of the council scenes Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill Dooku and when Obi-Wan told him to spy on Palpatine for the council and to spy on the council for Palpatine, Anakin's loyalities were already being tested.

Well, yeah. That's my point: you can see where they were going with this and changed their minds. Lucas said as much.

Where did Lucas say that? And in any event all you have to deal with is the finished film not some early script.
 
The combined colloquial impact of the entire Folio and KJV is immeasurable. Now compare that to a small handful of esoteric pop culture catch phrases...
 
Well, not to mention that the KJV is fairly important to the development of one of the world's major religions. Trek fandom counts a tiny fraction of the devout adherents that Protestantism does.
 
Well, not to mention that the KJV is fairly important to the development of one of the world's major religions. Trek fandom counts a tiny fraction of the devout adherents that Protestantism does.

I would hope that HiJol was referring to the effect Star Trek had on his personal life, otherwise comparing Star Trek to the Bible or Shakespeare is a bit silly.

Anyways, I personally hope that Mr. Lin is able to introduce the American public to more talented Asian actors like Mr. Cho. That certainly would be a nice contribution to the much ballyhooed "progressive legacy" of Star Trek.
 
Well, not to mention that the KJV is fairly important to the development of one of the world's major religions. Trek fandom counts a tiny fraction of the devout adherents that Protestantism does.
Of course.

I was referring directly to:

There is not another entity or subject that owns more of our language...


I would hope that HiJol was referring to the effect Star Trek had on his personal life,
Maybe. It was still and odd thing to say, even if it was in jest.
 
There is not another entity or subject that owns more of our language...

That in itself is a pretty odd claim, even comparing it to other popular culture rather than Shakespeare and the Bible. Has Trek influenced our colloquial speech a tenth so much as, say, sports? Or modern warfare?

Stop moving the goalposts with your verbal salvos!

John 3:16 has nothing on "Beam me up Scotty".
 
Well it hasn't inspired religious wars but as far as entertainment goes Trek has influenced our culture a lot. Maybe that was a bit of a stretch. There are all the stories of people being moved towards their chosen careers because of what they saw on Star Trek. And then you have its influence on other entertainment going on these days. I'm guessing Star Wars is pretty highly influential as well.

No offense but this sub forum seems incredibly negative towards all of Trek in general. Star Trek lost it's progressive edge, Star Wars ruined Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry isn't a visionary, Star Trek is nothing more than entertainment, Star trek has minimal influence, jesus. This guy posted how it was important to him and he got scoffed at. I think it's cool to have a little passion about it.
 
Funny thing is, you probably hear "Beam Me Up, Scotty" more than you hear "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You know, that guy that shows up at the sporting events with the "John 3:16" sign hasn't figured out how to do it in outer space.

Yet.

I am back-handedly complimented that my opinion about the Franchise has caused so much discussion, and one surprising comment from iguana_tonante took me back a bit.

Please let me clarify: when I talked about language and usage and ownership, I was referring to how often the language of Star Trek is used and how much of it has come into our lexicon. How well it's images and equipment are known. There are any number of references and courses and symposia on Star Trek and its Effect. Hell, I just got the book "Hamlet in Klingon" for Christmas. For years, there was a place in the State of Minnesota in the US that held a two week immersion course in Klingon.

My feelings and opinion, I believe, have a place here. My belief in the Influence on Star Trek do, also. What I do not understand, however, is the seeming ridicule and bitterness and almost mean reaction some of you have. But that is ok, because I would continue to "...defend to the death your right to say it."

Well, maybe not to the death.

They were correct, the TNZ is NOT for the faint of heart, but I will continue to try to post well!

;)
 
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