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Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII

I can't believe X3 made that much money. What a terrible film.


I dont think X3 is a terrible film, I just think people think it is a popular opinion and the right thing to say, its like how everyone says the star wars prequels are bad when to me I feel the prequels had more depth than the original trilogy.

I thought X3 was pretty bad, and I still do think the prequels are lazily written and directed (and, in some ways, acted since they're reacting to green screen). We expected there to be a huge character arc for Anakin Skywalker...yet, the main reason he became a member of the Sith is because they - the Jedi - didn't let him be a Jedi Master.

No, Anakin felt that the only way to save Padme was to become a Sith.

In any event I think if it's a good script Justin Lin will come though and make a good movie.
 
I dont think X3 is a terrible film, I just think people think it is a popular opinion and the right thing to say, its like how everyone says the star wars prequels are bad when to me I feel the prequels had more depth than the original trilogy.

I thought X3 was pretty bad, and I still do think the prequels are lazily written and directed (and, in some ways, acted since they're reacting to green screen). We expected there to be a huge character arc for Anakin Skywalker...yet, the main reason he became a member of the Sith is because they - the Jedi - didn't let him be a Jedi Master.

No, Anakin felt that the only way to save Padme was to become a Sith.

In any event I think if it's a good script Justin Lin will come though and make a good movie.

Bottom line with Anakin Skywalker: He wasn't a smart character. And, neither were the Jedi. Especially since they were built up to be these mystical individuals in the original trilogy. I'm hoping the new trilogy brings some of the magic of that original trilogy that was lost in those prequels.

On the other hand: I do agree in regards to Justin Lin. If it is a good script, the film should do nicely....and create the opportunity for more films within that universe.
 
Well, I hope Lin is good. I just ordered the box set of the Fast and Furious movies (really good sale price) to check out his work. If they're half as good as Bullitt and Vanishing Point, I'll be happy.
 
I can't believe X3 made that much money. What a terrible film.

It was good. Maybe not as good as the others, but terrible ?

No, Anakin felt that the only way to save Padme was to become a Sith.

Which makes zero sense. It would've been better in my opinion to play the "good chancellor, evil Jedi" angle. The movie doesn't know which one to use.
 
I can't believe X3 made that much money. What a terrible film.


I dont think X3 is a terrible film, I just think people think it is a popular opinion and the right thing to say, its like how everyone says the star wars prequels are bad when to me I feel the prequels had more depth than the original trilogy.
I think the Star Wars prequels had more complex stories, more intrigue, better special effects. My children can't stand the original 3.
However the biggest flaw of the prequels was that I really couldn't care anything about the characters. I loved Luke, Leia, Han, Yoda etc but found myself hohumming at the death of the heroes in the prequels.
Didn't like the characters in ST09 that much either but I liked them much better than any of the Jedi or anti Jedi in the prequels
 
Good thing I can enjoy stuff from before I was born. Way before. I almost had a seizure when I first saw Metropolis.
 
I think the Star Wars prequels had more complex stories, more intrigue, better special effects.

That's true, but the execution of all those things was awful. Star Wars TOS is an extremely well done, simplistic hero's journey and that's what made it so wonderful.
 
I absolutely loved Padme.
:(
Me too.

And not because I absolutely love Portman ... Okay. Maybe a little.

Padme is a great character on her own. She excels in TCW. I think the only real problem is Portman had zero chemistry with Christensen. I mean it was like negative chemistry. And since there are so many scenes were she's reduced to arm-dressing, it kind of weakens her, unfortunately.

My children can't stand the original 3.

:wtf:
Yeah. I can almost see were that Real Star Trek fan guy is coming from.
 
Which makes zero sense.

In the real world it would make zero sense, but SW isn't the real world.

In SW there are such things as dark side Force powers, and ( in the old EU ) one of those powers can be used to revive the dying or even resurrect the recently dead.
 
I think the Star Wars prequels had more complex stories, more intrigue, better special effects.

That's true, but the execution of all those things was awful. Star Wars TOS is an extremely well done, simplistic hero's journey and that's what made it so wonderful.

The special effects were great in the prequel. I don't have any problems with them.

Bit I whole heartedly agree with you about the original 3. If only I could get my kids to look past the 'I'm not watching any movie made before I was born' syndrome.

I liked Padme in the first movie but she progressively got more stupid as the trilogy went on. She fell for Palpatines lines and didn't really do that much past movie 1 except pine for Anakin. Leia was feisty the entire trilogy.
And then to die of a broken heart....
 
I think Portman is a great actor, and Padme has some great moments, but it is frustrating how much she's sidelined for just romance and she dies of a broken heart like some 19th century bad romance novel heroine. I could probably forgive a lot if her ending wasn't so pitiful.
 
I felt the Star Wars prequels had the outline of a really good story and none of the execution. The action sequences seemed more superficial and forced, the dialog was never natural and the humor was all slapstick. You wait three movies to see how Padme died and she died of 'Disappointment' rather they any kind of actual medical condition. They have an opportunity to show Yoda fighting with a lightsaber and he fights with a whole lot of showy flips instead of the calm, efficient manner you would expect him to fight. New characters consist of alien racial stereotypes and robots with bad coughs. They bring out a bunch of cameos from the original trilogy that don't seem to make sense in the story then make these forced excuses not to have them remember anything.

The worst crime the prequels committed was making the force from a cool zen thing to bacteria in your blood stream.

From what I hear, Harrison Ford ad libbed a lot of lines in the original Star Wars because the lines he was handed were terrible. 'You can write this shit but you can't say it', I believe he said. George Lucas is a wonderful idea person but his scripts need heavy editing, and they didn't get them in the prequels.

As for Justin Lin? If there's one thing Star Trek doesn't need it's another bang bang action movie director.

And children always love the thing that's being marketed to them at the time. When I was nine I loved freaking Power Rangers. Wait till they're older looking back and see how they feel.
 
The worst crime the prequels committed was making the force from a cool zen thing to bacteria in your blood stream.

Sorry, but I am really tired of this complaint. Midi-chlorians did not change anything about the Force itself, they merely explained why some people can access the Force and others can't. The Force still "surrounds us and penetrates us." The midi-chlorians just act as a gateway to accessing the Force.
 
And children always love the thing that's being marketed to them at the time. When I was nine I loved freaking Power Rangers. Wait till they're older looking back and see how they feel.

Hey, Power Rangers was and still is awesome. You're never too old to enjoy the antics of Bulk and Skull.
 
The worst crime the prequels committed was making the force from a cool zen thing to bacteria in your blood stream.

Sorry, but I am really tired of this complaint. Midi-chlorians did not change anything about the Force itself, they merely explained why some people can access the Force and others can't. The Force still "surrounds us and penetrates us." The midi-chlorians just act as a gateway to accessing the Force.

Well, not to derail the thread too far, but my objections are simple. One, they are not mentioned in the OT at all, and feel like a way of classifying a Jedi's power without saying "he is the greatest of all Jedi! (trademark pending ;)).

Secondly, if it is a biological related condition, then Jedi should be in breeding programs to ensure more powerful Jedi are being born, ala the Bene Gesserit in Dune. The Jedi Order should never be "baby snatching" (as illustrated in the comics) because they should be having kids to continue their order.

Finally, you have, in essence, just created a biology based aristocracy in the Star Wars universe. The only way you can become a Jedi is through proper birthright. It removes any sort of individual ability to learn it and relegates it to being born to the right family. This is rather out of step with the OT, and Star Wars story in general (that off the small versus the big, magic versus technology, etc).

Ok, bigger derail than I meant to, but those are my objections. The midi-clorians may not change the nature of the Force, but they change how people are able to interact with it.

I agree that the SW prequels are the most disappointing because of their potential to be amazing films. The visuals are fun, the technological know-how is there, the money is there, but the lack of limitations means that the story took second place to the tech.

As for Lin, I am excited for him because, as Nerys mentioned, his background is not just action. F&F may be his most famous work, but it is hardly is only credit. Give the man the opportunity to show his work.
 
The worst crime the prequels committed was making the force from a cool zen thing to bacteria in your blood stream.

Sorry, but I am really tired of this complaint. Midi-chlorians did not change anything about the Force itself, they merely explained why some people can access the Force and others can't. The Force still "surrounds us and penetrates us." The midi-chlorians just act as a gateway to accessing the Force.

Well, not to derail the thread too far, but my objections are simple. One, they are not mentioned in the OT at all, and feel like a way of classifying a Jedi's power without saying "he is the greatest of all Jedi! (trademark pending ;)).

Agreed. Measuring someone's strength by their power level ... now where have I heard that before?

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