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[Maurice]

Decker does not try to "bone" the Probe. He's just trying to reach the part of Ilia which is in it. Why do people always have to take that to be sex? The film, admittedly, does a poor job of selling the idea that Decker becomes intrigued by V'ger (Collins even addressed this in the interviews which appear in Return to Tomorrow), but it's not about space-schtupping.

 

[Firebird]

Decker does not try to "bone" the Probe. He's just trying to reach the part of Ilia which is in it, Why do people always have to take that to be sex? The film, admittedly, does a poor job of selling the idea that Decker becomes intrigued by V'ger (Collins even addressed this in the interviews which appear in Return to Tomorrow), but it's not about space-schtupping.

Doesn't the novel imply that he was at least attempting doing the horizontal mambo with the Ilia Probe?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Decker does not try to "bone" the Probe.

There's a Thanksgiving joke in there somewhere.

 

[Shon T'Hara]

No, no I wrote the others concluded the Probe to be "pretty much the same thing" as the real Illia, to the point that Kirk lists her as "missing in action" instead of killed and I found that mildly unsettling. In my book a clone is not the same person as te original even if they atrifically gain all the original's memories.

Did V'ger kill Ilia? Sure, her body disappeared, but so did Picard's when he got beamed into that nebula in "The Lonely Among Us". Kirk himself has experience of having his consciousness stored in Sargon's spheres, so if he thinks Ilia's consciousness might exist in some form in V'ger, it'd be natural to think she's no more dead than he was.

 

[Orphalesion]

Did V'ger kill Ilia? Sure, her body disappeared, but so did Picard's when he got beamed into that nebula in "The Lonely Among Us". Kirk himself has experience of having his consciousness stored in Sargon's spheres, so if he thinks Ilia's consciousness might exist in some form in V'ger, it'd be natural to think she's no more dead than he was.

It's a while since I last saw the movie, but I do remember the Probe saying something to the effect "The being known as Illia does not exist any longer." I kind of based my view on that.

 

[Maurice]

Doesn't the novel imply that he was at least attempting doing the horizontal mambo with the Ilia Probe?

The novel implies a lot of things, but that's Gene rewriting the story after the fact.

It's a while since I last saw the movie, but I do remember the Probe saying something to the effect "The being known as Illia does not exist any longer." I kind of based my view on that.

KIRK: Where is Lt. Ilia?
PROBE: That unit no longer functions.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think that it is fair to refer to a movie character such as Ilia Probe, with high heels and in a bathrobe with a high hemline to start with, that even goes gratuitously higher in the crotch area, as intentionally sexy.

 

[Maurice]

On the part of the filmmakers, yes. But no one in the film relates to her that way. Roddenberry was constantly pushing for "casual" nudity to show how humans have gotten over their self consciousness, so that's more about Gene's desires than what happens in the story.

 

[drt]

It titilates the audience, but the crew seems unaffected by it.

If you notice in the tram station on Earth, most of the non-Starfleet extras appear to have walked off of the Logan's Run set, so short, breezy outfits seem to be the standard Earthwear of the time.

 

[Orphalesion]

KIRK: Where is Lt. Ilia?
PROBE: That unit no longer functions.

Ahhhhh thanks for looking up the dialogue. Still that could be interpreted as the Probe making a distinction between itself and Ilia.

 

[PCz911]

It titilates the audience, but the crew seems unaffected by it.

If you notice in the tram station on Earth, most of the non-Starfleet extras appear to have walked off of the Logan's Run set, so short, breezy outfits seem to be the standard Earthwear of the time.

Had to look up some photos but you are very correct. And Logan's run... Spot on design theme

 

[2takesfrakes]

Now, those STARFLEET civilian outfits were cheap looking, I have to say. Yes, a lot of hot ladies of the seventies are showing a lot of leg, which is nice, but their outfits all looked rented, or ... I don't know what.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It titilates the audience, but the crew seems unaffected by it.

IIRC the novelization correctly, V'ger has even replicated Deltan pheromones, so Decker is showing amazing restraint. Especially after we'd seen that much earlier sequence in which the outline of his "Decker unit" is clearly visible through his clothes.

 

[eyeresist]

One thing that always bugs me about TUC is Chang's death - the dummy is facing the wrong way! Couldn't they have just flipped the image?

GEN. I like the movie but cannot stand the intense lighting of sets of the D as it feels like a cheap trick to make something more out of TV sets.

I think that's one of the films achievements to be honest, I think it gives it a big screen cinematic feel.

Yes, to be honest I think those moody scenes on the D are my favourite part of GEN. Finally it looks like an interesting place to be rather than a hotel suite! Actually, I'm surprised later directors didn't try to replicate that effect.

It's a while since I last saw the movie, but I do remember the Probe saying something to the effect "The being known as Illia does not exist any longer." I kind of based my view on that.

ILIA PROBE: That unit no longer functions.

In computer-speak, that means she's been killed.

Also, the use of matt paintings, which was alright in TWOK (although the Genesis cave looks very cheap) and TSFS (you don't really notice in TVH), spoils the look of the el Capitain scene and the campfire pan at the end.

But, my winner is TSFS though, which with the cotton wool covered cactus, has the most obvious "we filmed this on a soundstage" look of all the films.

You must have a great TV - I've never noticed these.

 

[Smellmet]

Neither can I but I can see where he's coming from.

 

[FormerLurker]

One thing that always bugs me about TUC is Chang's death - the dummy is facing the wrong way! Couldn't they have just flipped the image?

Eyepatch. It would have been on the wrong side.

 

[Orphalesion]

I'm actually interested now, I've read that TMP was based on the pilot episode of the failed "Phase II" TV show.
If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

 

[BillJ]

If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

No.

 

[RandyS]

Did V'ger kill Ilia? Sure, her body disappeared, but so did Picard's when he got beamed into that nebula in "The Lonely Among Us". Kirk himself has experience of having his consciousness stored in Sargon's spheres, so if he thinks Ilia's consciousness might exist in some form in V'ger, it'd be natural to think she's no more dead than he was.

It's a while since I last saw the movie, but I do remember the Probe saying something to the effect "The being known as Illia does not exist any longer." I kind of based my view on that.

I watched the movie yesterday. The exact quote you're looking for is, "That unit no longer functions."

And Maurice is correct. Decker did not, at any time in the movie try to "bone" Ila.

 

[RandyS]

I'm actually interested now, I've read that TMP was based on the pilot episode of the failed "Phase II" TV show.
If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

It was. You can find the script for "In Thy Image" in the book "PHASE II: THE LOST SERIES".

And no, Decker and Ila would both have continued as characters if that show had been made.