Roberto Orci Not Directing Trek XIII
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What great purge? J.J. had an obligation to Star Wars. Alex Kurtzman and Orci split, but it had nothing to do with Star Trek.
Let me repeat this because this must be some strange upside down land, but STID made piles of money. It is the fourth highest grossing Star Trek movie of all time, beating the shit out of both TWOK and First Contact, two Trek films highly prized by fans both casual and hardcore. It was a critical success. STID was financially and critically successful. This is fact.
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It feels like the Twilight Zone, or the pilot episode of Sliders where green lights meant stop, and red lights meant go.
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If this were First Contact, or The Wrath of Khan, people would have been shitting themselves in excitement. However, since it's J.J.'s NotTrek, it simple means even if it were a billion dollars, and Roger Ebert came back from the dead to explain how amazing it is, it was a disappointment to Paramount, and no one liked it.
That's not criticism of a film, that's a religious devotion.
That's not criticism of a film, that's a religious devotion.
I never experienced so many nasty below-the-belt potshots until I experienced Trek fans who like JJ Trek sticking knives into Trek fans who don't. And yet JJ Trek fans love to play police about how other Trek fans should and shouldn't behave. It seems like this begins and ends with thou shalt not criticize JJ Trek.
Ah. The victim card.
Given what you are saying, I wonder why Orci is being given the boot? Paramount lost J.J. to Star Wars, Kurtzman to Venom, etc. Why would Par push aside (possibly the most fannish member) of their Bad Robot Supreme Court?
Of the five members (J.J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof) who is on board for Trek 3 in any meaningful capacity? How many have moved on?
A comment above forgot to include Lindelof in the "purge." Whether conscious or unconscious, coincidental or intentional, the third movie will have a different team.
It feels to me like STID was running on the momentum of the "first" movie and those stakeholders actually riding the vehicle felt it slowing down despite our point of view of it being still in motion. The whole management of the Khan tease debacle didn't help.
It feels to me like STID was running on the momentum of the "first" movie and those stakeholders actually riding the vehicle felt it slowing down despite our point of view of it being still in motion. The whole management of the Khan tease debacle didn't help.
I never experienced fan hate until I was on a board (not here, that bears saying) where every opportunity was taken to take JJ down for his Trek, to the point that posters were actively discouraging people from seeing the film and wishing that Trek 09 had never been made, and that Abrams would move on to ruining other franchises.
Seriously, that was my first experience with fan hatred and I have been a part of SW fandom for many years. It was so depressing, I did not see ID for about a month after it came out.
Honestly, I still can cruise the interwebz and find posts that will take down Abrams at every chance.
Seriously, that was my first experience with fan hatred and I have been a part of SW fandom for many years. It was so depressing, I did not see ID for about a month after it came out.
Honestly, I still can cruise the interwebz and find posts that will take down Abrams at every chance.
I think Abrams will still be credited as Exec. I think how much involvement he actually has depends on whether or not Disney brings him back for number eight.
OTOH, they could be thinking that it might be a good time to completely clean house and start fresh with a new group. The tent is up. Time to fill it with other people because the old crew is too big to fit now.
OTOH, they could be thinking that it might be a good time to completely clean house and start fresh with a new group. The tent is up. Time to fill it with other people because the old crew is too big to fit now.
Abrams will not be back for 8. The director for 8 has already been named. Rian Johnson will taking over after 7.
Ah...
Who?
Who?
I have no problem with people disliking the movies. I dislike a fair amount of Trek myself. But I never wished for it to fail, told people they shouldn't enjoy it, hurled insults at the creators of the material or simply made things up to support my views. Nor do I treat the things I do like, like some type of religious texts that should never be altered or criticized. The fact that some people need things to hate is pretty well supported throughout human history.
If that is sticking knives, then I guess I'm guilty.
Looper
Never saw it.
Decent time travel flick.
I'll have to watch it. I'll need ammo for future Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars posts.
