Roberto Orci Not Directing Trek XIII

[Greg Cox]

Now apparently Orci won't even write the movie. Sounds a bit late for that 2016 release.

Meyer wrote the script for TWOK in 12 days.
Plenty of time for a February start.

The main script may be 90% done for all we know. Orci's creative differences with Paramount could be as little as something like him insisting on Shatner being in it or the whole thing having to be GuardiansOfTheGalaxified : shudder

Correct. We have no idea how much of the script is done, and honestly folks... if the script needs to be written quickly, it can be written quickly, and there is no reason to assume that a script written relatively quickly is going to be lower in quality than one written with a quill pen on parchment over the course of three new moons.

Amen. And, yes, more time doesn't necessarily mean a better script. The world is full of movies that were in development for years, but turned out badly anyway. (Hello, CATWOMAN.) And other movies that were written on the fly but turned out great. (Hello, CASABLANCA).

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Ocri reinforces the fact that he is an egotistical dick, who likely pissed off the wrong exec with his attitude (hence why he was removed completely from the project). I wouldn't be surprised if the words "You'll never work in this town again" were delivered to him during that final meeting.

 

[fireproof78]

reminds me of all ongoing strife: Unions and business, Britain and the IRA, Isreal and Palestine, ad nauseum where the ultimate blame is lost to historical amnesia...

Except all of those are about relevant and important things, while the thing with Orci is fans bashing a guy becuase of their views on a 58 year old television/movie franchise.

Most of those are things that have far reaching consequences for a lot of people and the other is nerds taking a tv show too seriously.

Well said. I was thinking a similar thing, but was not sure how to phrase it.

Ocri reinforces the fact that he is an egotistical dick, who likely pissed off the wrong exec with his attitude (hence why he was removed completely from the project). I wouldn't be surprised if the words "You'll never work in this town again" were delivered to him during that final meeting.

Except, he isn't removed from the project. He is still producing, which is not like "guy who gets our coffee" in terms of importance.

Seriously, I get that people don't like Orci, but I don't get the wishing him no work.

 

[Amaris]

Ocri reinforces the fact that he is an egotistical dick, who likely pissed off the wrong exec with his attitude (hence why he was removed completely from the project). I wouldn't be surprised if the words "You'll never work in this town again" were delivered to him during that final meeting.

I would be surprised, since he's still working, and will likely continue working in high profile films as his career moves forward. As fireproof said, he's still attached to the project. So if someone said "You'll never work in this town again", it was likely a Star Trek fan on the internet, which means it has zero authority behind it.

 

[Ovation]

This all reminds me of Syndrome from "The Incredibles."
He was convinced that he was owed something because he chose to be a fan of Mr. Incredible, and went completely around the bend when he was "disrespected."

Exactly. The audience is owed nothing (other than a screening of the film as scheduled). Guaranteed satisfaction is never part of the deal.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Well, sue me if I forgot that he's still attached as "Producer"... which quite frankly isn't a position in which they're that active or have control over the final product. The fact remains he was removed as (1) director, and (2) writer of this production. Those are the power positions, and that it happened speaks volumes about whatever he did to deserve it.

He's made one (or several) powerful people pretty angry.

 

[Melakon]

Orci's been in the business about 15 years, has other projects lined up, so he won't go away any time soon. If I were him though, I'd get some actual directing experience to prepare himself for high profile projects if he wants one that badly.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Well, sue me if I forgot that he's still attached as "Producer"... which quite frankly isn't a position in which they're that active or have control over the final product.

Actually, isn't that kind of what a producer does?

Anyways, what good would still being attached to a project be if you had creative differences with the studio? It's probably mostly that the basic outline of the movie is remaining, but he otherwise isn't going to have much control in it.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I am curious on what it means having him credited as "producer". If he does actually have creative input, or if it's just an obligatory credit like Tim Burton on BATMAN FOREVER where the name is attached merely to provide a bridge between two films that had a major shakeup behind the scenes. Or maybe he'll just be credited as producer as long as Bad Robot's name is attached, regardless of his presence. Abrams was credited as executive producer for LOST in its entire run, despite the fact that he had nearly zero involvement beyond the first season.

 

[Amaris]

Well, sue me if I forgot that he's still attached as "Producer"... which quite frankly isn't a position in which they're that active or have control over the final product. The fact remains he was removed as (1) director, and (2) writer of this production. Those are the power positions, and that it happened speaks volumes about whatever he did to deserve it.

He's made one (or several) powerful people pretty angry.

Firstly, I shall sue you! Expect a communique from my lawyer, one Mr. Samuel T. Cogley!

Secondly, there's no need to use scare quotes. He's an honest to god Producer. It's not unofficial in any sense of the word.

Thirdly, regarding Producers:

What does a Producer do?

A Producer initiates, coordinates, supervises and controls, either on his own authority, or subject to the authority of an employer, all aspects of the motion-picture and/or television production process, including creative, financial, technological and administrative. A Producer is involved throughout all phases of production from inception to completion, including coordination, supervision and control of all other talents and crafts, subject to the provisions of their collective bargaining agreements and personal service contracts.

PGA Full FAQ Link

In short, a Producer does a lot of work integral to the layout of the movie, from beginning to end, and beyond. This means that Bob Orci will still be integral to the movie's success.

No scare quotes needed.

 

[Belz...]

Yes, if he was a shitty doctor.

That sounds remarkably circular.

The guy helped make Transformers 2, Cowboys and Aliens and Amazing Spider-Man 2.

This isn't something I would be bragging about.

And yet he wrote movies and got hired to write more. He must be doing something right, right ?

He doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed.

Ah, yes. I'm sure us armchair analysts here are so much smarter.

 

[Mudd]

Orci's been in the business about 15 years, has other projects lined up, so he won't go away any time soon. If I were him though, I'd get some actual directing experience to prepare himself for high profile projects if he wants one that badly.

Yeah, it's hysterical that trekkies can be so myopic about all this. No one has a career like Orci's by accident, luck (rhough occasional lucky breaks are part of most folks' success stories), "sucking up" or other envious nonsense. It happens by delivering, over and over and year after year, on demand, what given projects require to succeed. In every such career there are failures and setbacks as well as successes. Nor - despite Orci's personal enthusiasm for Star Trek - is working on a Trek movie what most people in the business would consider to be the pinnacle of career accomplishment. Hell, one oldTrek movie director was furious at being "offered" the assignment after being promised a major feature.

 

[JWPlatt]

reminds me of all ongoing strife: Unions and business, Britain and the IRA, Isreal and Palestine, ad nauseum where the ultimate blame is lost to historical amnesia...

Except all of those are about relevant and important things, while the thing with Orci is fans bashing a guy becuase of their views on a 58 year old television/movie franchise.

Most of those are things that have far reaching consequences for a lot of people and the other is nerds taking a tv show too seriously.

Then philosophical symmetry demands that Orci is also taking it much too seriously, and that engaging the fan lowers himself to the common denominator, hence he should not be taken seriously.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Then philosophical symmetry demands that Orci is also taking it much too seriously, and that engaging the fan lowers himself to the common denominator, hence he should not be taken seriously.

No.

 

[Mudd]

"Philosophical symmetry" is in a position to demand...nothing.

 

[Amaris]

"Philosophical symmetry" is in a position to demand...nothing.

Orci, on the other hand, is in a position to grant... nothing.

 

[Mudd]

"Philosophical symmetry" is in a position to demand...nothing.

Orci, on the other hand, is in a position to grant... nothing.

 

[Devon]

Why is it arrogance ? Would a doctor pointing out "that's why I'm a doctor and you're not" when discussing your health be arrogant ?

Yes, if he was a shitty doctor.

The guy helped make Transformers 2, Cowboys and Aliens and Amazing Spider-Man 2.

This isn't something I would be bragging about.

He doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed.

He also helped make two of the most successful and highly acclaimed films in the Trek franchise (ST and ID, for anyone not following.) Looks like we're even then?

 

[JWPlatt]

Arrogance is a concept that is independent of success or acclaim. It can exist with or without those attributes. They do not justify it, but when it does exists because of them, it is still a failure of character.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The guy helped make Transformers 2, Cowboys and Aliens and Amazing Spider-Man 2.

This isn't something I would be bragging about.

He doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed.

He also helped make two of the most successful and highly acclaimed films in the Trek franchise (ST and ID, for anyone not following.) Looks like we're even then?

Well, there are several possibilities here.

1. He overcame adversity and cranked out two successful movies in an otherwise dismal portfolio.

2. Successful Trek movies aren't really that big an accomplishment.

3. His other movies are unsung, unappreciated works of art.

You, the viewer, decide.

Yeah, it's hysterical that trekkies can be so myopic about all this. No one has a career like Orci's by accident, luck (rhough occasional lucky breaks are part of most folks' success stories), "sucking up" or other envious nonsense.

Bull. Doesn't hold water. There are tons of people who have been working in Hollywood for 15 years, but that doesn't mean squat about the quality of their product. Sorry, you're just wrong on this one.