Yeah I caught some of that and according to earlier rumors the older T800 kind of adopted a Sarah Connor, but that doesn't seem to make much sense either. The trailer shows alot of good action but the story still feels alittle muddled.
Terminator Genisys..Official Trailer
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Yeah I caught some of that and according to earlier rumors the older T800 kind of adopted a Sarah Connor, but that doesn't seem to make much sense either. The trailer shows alot of good action but the story still feels alittle muddled.
I thought everyone liked old Jack Chan movies?
Despite everything, Skynet secured Jackie Chan before the first strike on Judgement Day, and in 2029 still forces the actor onto a studio treadmill where he continues to make yet more new badly dubbed 1970s genre kung fu movies?
I like that theory. Perhaps he is the one who orphans Sarah. And perhaps Arnie fights him off enough to escape with Sarah and then hide out until 1984.
Based on the trailer, I think that any of that stuff would happen at the cabin in Big Bear.
Entertainment Weekly published all that plot information a couple months ago. It's been on the Wikipedia article for Genisys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Genisys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Genisys
Wasn't the Robert Patrick T-1000 a Prototype, as in the only one made?
Different futures, if they go back far enough, have access to the same past following the branches in the timeline back to the main trunk.
Changing the past creates a new branch directing uptime which is the manifestation of a new future with new constants that might have their own single prototype T-1000 that that branches Skynet hasn't sent back yet. All known branches might have a prototype T-1000 and they might all be sent back to nearly the same point in past, if a number of T-1000s do exist in all branches do so, and by doing so create yet another branch in the timeline where that did happen opposed to the existing branch where it didn't.
There is no causal timeloop anymore.
We have enough evidence to identify that similar things keep happening so similar futures keep coming to pass.
No future disappears because of time travel.
All futures still exist.
Changing the past creates a new branch directing uptime which is the manifestation of a new future with new constants that might have their own single prototype T-1000 that that branches Skynet hasn't sent back yet. All known branches might have a prototype T-1000 and they might all be sent back to nearly the same point in past, if a number of T-1000s do exist in all branches do so, and by doing so create yet another branch in the timeline where that did happen opposed to the existing branch where it didn't.
There is no causal timeloop anymore.
We have enough evidence to identify that similar things keep happening so similar futures keep coming to pass.
No future disappears because of time travel.
All futures still exist.
Since the T-1000 is shape shifter, Robert Patrick Terminator and Asian Terminator might be the same unit.
In fact, these might ALL be the same units from T1/T2, with only Arnold-84 arriving at the same time and place as in the original time line.
Arnold-Old might be Arnold-T2, but sent back, by the Resistance, to the 70s to protect/train young Sarah instead of to the 90's to protect young John.
In fact, these might ALL be the same units from T1/T2, with only Arnold-84 arriving at the same time and place as in the original time line.
Arnold-Old might be Arnold-T2, but sent back, by the Resistance, to the 70s to protect/train young Sarah instead of to the 90's to protect young John.
Ah, but what if my earlier thought experiment becomes reality: Skynet ends up killing whoever actually invents time travel in the first place? Then the whole thing collapses like a house of cards.
Do we know that it wasn't Skynet itself that invented time travel?
^ No, I guess not. But now that I think about it, it doesn't seem likely that it did, otherwise they would have had access to time travel for God knows how long, and could have fucked up the timeline far worse than they actually did. They could have sent entire divisions of Terminators into the past if they'd had time travel from the get-go.
Not if it didn't have the technology to build the device from the start.
I mean Skynet didn't star out with T-800s, giant laser tanks, giant HKs, and lazer guns. It had to build those over the decades long war.
Actually I swear I heard something in a Terminator novel about Skynet sending an operative into the past to protect the person who would ultimately invent time travel...will have to google-fu
The time machine is always finished in 2029.
Even though Judgement day moved three times.
when Judgement Day happens determines the level of technology Skynet has to work with/start from.
1997, 2003 and 2011.
For 2029 to be constant despite the earliest versions of Sky net still having transistors in it's mainframe or Judgement day moving to 2025, 2029 can only be a fixed as point where time travel is possible because of something that Skynet cannot technologically replicate or control, like the position of the planets or a thinning/weakness in the time barriers (whatever they are) or some other natural event that a timecontroller has to take advantage of as it appears (even if it can be accurately forecasted), like Moses walking through the red Sea. The waters do lower at precise points of the year, plus a freak occurrence plus luck...
Where was I?
Skynet needed to send Kyle Reese back.
There was no point in inventing Time travel, or building a time travel complex unless they could fulfil the requirements of the paradox they erroneously believed to be necessary for their own creation.
Even though Judgement day moved three times.
when Judgement Day happens determines the level of technology Skynet has to work with/start from.
1997, 2003 and 2011.
For 2029 to be constant despite the earliest versions of Sky net still having transistors in it's mainframe or Judgement day moving to 2025, 2029 can only be a fixed as point where time travel is possible because of something that Skynet cannot technologically replicate or control, like the position of the planets or a thinning/weakness in the time barriers (whatever they are) or some other natural event that a timecontroller has to take advantage of as it appears (even if it can be accurately forecasted), like Moses walking through the red Sea. The waters do lower at precise points of the year, plus a freak occurrence plus luck...
Where was I?
Skynet needed to send Kyle Reese back.
There was no point in inventing Time travel, or building a time travel complex unless they could fulfil the requirements of the paradox they erroneously believed to be necessary for their own creation.
That's moving twice, not three times. 1997 was the original.
And neither T3 or SCC say anything about the time travel taking place in 2029. T3 doesn't specify, but internally the date was 2032. SCC's future is set in 2027.
T3 specifically was about years after Kyle was sent back, so of course it was 2032. John wasn't raiding the Time Displacement centre for the first time in 2032, he was smug walking around in the open thinking that he had won. This is what happens when you have sex with Claire Danes. Death. She has a death pussy. Although I suppose the actual person Claire Danes might not be as sexually poisonous as almost every character she has been paid an inordinate amount of money to play.
Judgement day moved to Never at the end of Terminator 2 when Senator John Connor is seen playing in the park with his daughter on Michael Jackson's birthday, so that makes 3 times. But that only happened in the directors cut. Also when was Judgement Day before time travelling took a dump, spraying future tech all over the past. The very first Judgement Day could have been as late as 2060 if man had to invent that technology without help of irresponsible temporal refugees, or again maybe their was no Judgement Day in the naked baseline timeline because man invented Time Travel for shits and giggles in 2029, and then after misplacing technology, Skynet was born which is how man really fumbled the planet.
Cameron was sent back before the movie Terminators and Kyle because they blew up the Time displacement complex, so that no one else could come back "IT'S JUST HIM AND ME!" Remember the Emperor's non operational Deathstar in Jedi that turned out to be fully operational? John Connor decided not to bend over for destiny and attacked early... But wouldn't that cock block his own conception? Unless he snuck in when Skynet wasn't looking so that in 2 years he could still send his mom and dad on a first date? But that would mean that Skynet was sitting on it's thumbs for 2 years not sticking it to the humans with time travel when it had a fully loaded weapon it wasn't using. Skynet must have been wet for the web of time because it was winning. Even as it was losing the war with man it was winning the time war. John/Kyle on the other hand should have had no interest in preserving the status quo that was universally violating them. Point is: John didn't send Kyle back in 2027, John sent Cameron back in 2027 who are not only different people, but different genders, and one of them is not even a person.
Judgement day moved to Never at the end of Terminator 2 when Senator John Connor is seen playing in the park with his daughter on Michael Jackson's birthday, so that makes 3 times. But that only happened in the directors cut. Also when was Judgement Day before time travelling took a dump, spraying future tech all over the past. The very first Judgement Day could have been as late as 2060 if man had to invent that technology without help of irresponsible temporal refugees, or again maybe their was no Judgement Day in the naked baseline timeline because man invented Time Travel for shits and giggles in 2029, and then after misplacing technology, Skynet was born which is how man really fumbled the planet.
Cameron was sent back before the movie Terminators and Kyle because they blew up the Time displacement complex, so that no one else could come back "IT'S JUST HIM AND ME!" Remember the Emperor's non operational Deathstar in Jedi that turned out to be fully operational? John Connor decided not to bend over for destiny and attacked early... But wouldn't that cock block his own conception? Unless he snuck in when Skynet wasn't looking so that in 2 years he could still send his mom and dad on a first date? But that would mean that Skynet was sitting on it's thumbs for 2 years not sticking it to the humans with time travel when it had a fully loaded weapon it wasn't using. Skynet must have been wet for the web of time because it was winning. Even as it was losing the war with man it was winning the time war. John/Kyle on the other hand should have had no interest in preserving the status quo that was universally violating them. Point is: John didn't send Kyle back in 2027, John sent Cameron back in 2027 who are not only different people, but different genders, and one of them is not even a person.
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That doesn't happen in the "director's cut" (Actually a Special Edition, not truly a director's cut.) That only happens in the easter egg third cut of the film.
It's a completely altered future in SCC. Kyle also came from 2027 in that continuity.
Yes it's a completely altered future. My poorly thought out, barely researched argument is that no matter how fantastically the time line is altered, 2029 is fixed where someone does something, even if it's not exactly the same thing because of some unknown constant Skynet or whoever is in charge can't ignore. Although Cameron used a time machine in 1997 to send the Connors forward to 2007, so that puts a whammy on my thinning of the time barriers notion. Now I'm thinking of the time barrier being like the blood barrier building up and then purging along uterine walls. Thicker, thinner, non-existent, thinner, thicker inviolable, thinner... And so on but with time instead of period juice.
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