Really, I have to wonder why they didn't try holographic clothing?
Nothing gets angry any more from being tied down.
Nothing gets angry any more from being tied down.
Should they just have ditched uniforms and protocol?
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Let's see, why didn't they try holographic clothing..
Have you seen how many times the holodeck fails?!
Have you seen how many times the holodeck fails?!
Ha! Now I'm actually imagining the crew of Voyager just going about their tasks naked.
On the positive side this would have meant Tom and Chakotay running around in their birthday suits (that's good)
On the negative side this would have also meant Neelix running around in his birthday suit (that's bad)
As for the FC uniforms, I agree with teacake, too much grey. I don't like the "Wiggles" sweaters they had in TOS, but I also don't like the boring grey they had post FC. The DS9/Voy uniforms had, in my opinion just the right amount of colour for Star Trek. They also had the nicest shade of blue-green for sciences/medical.
On the positive side this would have meant Tom and Chakotay running around in their birthday suits (that's good)
On the negative side this would have also meant Neelix running around in his birthday suit (that's bad)
As for the FC uniforms, I agree with teacake, too much grey. I don't like the "Wiggles" sweaters they had in TOS, but I also don't like the boring grey they had post FC. The DS9/Voy uniforms had, in my opinion just the right amount of colour for Star Trek. They also had the nicest shade of blue-green for sciences/medical.
Not all of them did.
Right, and 20 years further along? You've got two dozen children aboard who are coming of age. Eight of them have joined Starfleet by whatever authorized method exists. The other sixteen are not interested in Starfleet per se but are still trained, willing, and capable of running various ship operations. Do you limit their options to "sorry, not until you sign up"? Do you draft them? Or do you make some concessions?
20 years after that, you've got more non-Starfleet descendants than you have original crew. What do you do with them?
As presented for the first seven years, it makes plenty of sense to maintain uniforms and protocol. People here have good arguments for that. But there is no way Voyager would remain exclusively Starfleet for the entire 70-year trip.
Maybe then the show would have gone on a few more seasons.
"Captain, we have found a stable wormhole leading directly to Earth"
*Janeway sits up from her lounge chair and looks at the debauchery around her: "Does anyone want to go home?"
*Crew: "Nah"
They should have just done an episode where everyone was in their underwear, a regular bog standard Trek story with no explanation given. In the story there would be some breadcrumbs that might be the explanation but this would be hotly debated as they would also be the usual tachyon tat.
This is what they would all be wearing.
Tom Paris: tighty whities. Yes.
Harry Kim: boxers with candy canes on them that his mom packed before he left.
Chakotay: due an embarrassing personal problem Chakotay has always gone commando.
Tuvok: regulation Starfleet underwear. It is grey, can operate effectively as shorts in a hot climate and breaths well.
Janeway: Victoria's Secret catalog page 34, The Hidden Files
B'Elanna: wide elastic faux boy's briefs.
7 of 9: underwear is irrelevant.
Neelix: lederhosen in multiple patterns and colours.
the EMH: the EMH has spent many hours perfecting the exact volume and angle of the bulge visible beneath his holographic underwear and is hoping you notice this.
This is what they would all be wearing.
Tom Paris: tighty whities. Yes.
Harry Kim: boxers with candy canes on them that his mom packed before he left.
Chakotay: due an embarrassing personal problem Chakotay has always gone commando.
Tuvok: regulation Starfleet underwear. It is grey, can operate effectively as shorts in a hot climate and breaths well.
Janeway: Victoria's Secret catalog page 34, The Hidden Files
B'Elanna: wide elastic faux boy's briefs.
7 of 9: underwear is irrelevant.
Neelix: lederhosen in multiple patterns and colours.
the EMH: the EMH has spent many hours perfecting the exact volume and angle of the bulge visible beneath his holographic underwear and is hoping you notice this.
At the birth rate VOY had, I don't think they would be that many to draft, how many children where conceived on VOY wait a minute it'll come to me, One. One in six years. When a more realistic number should have been what around a dozen.
And perhaps for that first generation born on VOY perhaps different partreners for each child.
How could they not be interested in Starfleet, joining Starfleet, being Starfleet when there is nothing else presented? It is the culture of every person they know, other than random aliens that only stay a short time. They will all "join" Starfleet.
If you don't count the Lizards, the Birthrate for their trip home is ZERO.
Naomi was conceived in the AQ and Miral was born in the AQ.
Naomi was conceived in the AQ and Miral was born in the AQ.
Nah....he's wearing the Spider-Man underoos his mom packed him before he left.
Wouldn't they have still access to the Federation's information data? Tales from their parents? Neelix? Seven? Naomi?
I can see at least some children not being interested in joining Starfleet or simply rebelling as teenagers do.
However one could ask how realistic it would be for them to pursue a non-starfleet career on board Voyager. Perhaps some could become cooks or work the hydroponic garden.
Naomi on her 18th birthday: "I want to be a poet!"
Well, this is sort of a problem with the premise...
...Their situation wasn't anything new. The whole "Lost years from home" thing happened to Picard and Kirk more than once, so the VOY crew knew it wasn't hopeless.
Now the Maquis not wanting to get into uniform, I get by that. But only for the first season or so. After that, if they still were constantly conflicting with the Fleeters then they're useless morons who should just be ditched somewhere.
What the show really needed was to have a plot beyond "Lost Ship going home" because that's simply a starter plot, not a proper plot.
...Their situation wasn't anything new. The whole "Lost years from home" thing happened to Picard and Kirk more than once, so the VOY crew knew it wasn't hopeless.
Now the Maquis not wanting to get into uniform, I get by that. But only for the first season or so. After that, if they still were constantly conflicting with the Fleeters then they're useless morons who should just be ditched somewhere.
What the show really needed was to have a plot beyond "Lost Ship going home" because that's simply a starter plot, not a proper plot.
while Seska's renegade holodeck program causes them to miss the exit ramp to Earth.
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Should they have ditched the uniforms?
Real world, practical answer: No.
TrekBBS it's-been-discussed-ad-nauseum-for-20-damn-years answer: Yes. Please, for the love of God, yes.
Real world, practical answer: No.
TrekBBS it's-been-discussed-ad-nauseum-for-20-damn-years answer: Yes. Please, for the love of God, yes.
The problem with uniform ditching is we would not get to obsess over 7 in her science blues. The contrast wouldn't be as great and wonderful.
Anwar said:
It isn't a plot at all. It's a premise.
Absolutely. It isn't like they had any better alternatives than "set a course... for home".MacLeod said:
I can't see them settling down in the DQ and franchising out their brand of Federation morals as if it's just a branch of Burger King.
Uh-uh.
Naomi: Captain, I'm 18 years old and I have spent 17 of those years learning everything about this ship. I want to join Starfleet and be the Captain's Assistant.
Janeway: So you have, and so you shall. Welcome aboard... Lieutenant Wildman.
Harry: Captain?
Janeway: Do you have a question, Ensign Kim?
Harry: Uh... No, ma'am.
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Oh this would SO be what happened, Janeway would totally elevate Naomi above Harry. And let's face it, she is smarter and more resilient than Harry, she would have a lot more to contribute.
I think this goes back to the issue of....taking 70 years to get back home
The problem is.....it's made abundantly clear that it won't take anything like 70 years to get home (at best it will take a few years; at worst it might take ten) but the idea of them travelling together through space for 50, 60 years etc, just isn't taken seriously by anyone on board (which is probably because the writers also don't think for a second that it will take that long....most of the writers were probably thinking it would take about 7 or 8 years.....for obvious reasons)
There's some stuff at the beginning like Paris persuading Harry to go out with the Delaney sisters because he thinks people will start to pair off over such a long voyage but once we get to the mid point of season one, this being together for decades idea is completely abandoned and the show becomes standard episodic Trek. Not one member of the crew behaves in a way that would suggest they're gonna be together for decades
Some people liked that......personally, I would have liked to have seen a few more episodes where crew members decide to settle on planets or people started having families or people started being more subordinate towards the captain, Starfleet protocols etc....maybe the odd mutiny. Anything that hinted at the possibility that these people genuinely did feel that they would be travelling together for a few decades rather than just a few years. They didn't even bother to create a meaningful, ongoing arc. If you showed people episodes out of sequence, i doubt they'd notice much difference
Bit of a shame
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