We have. Over and over and over and over and over... Those that don't like it stick their fingers in their ears and scream: "lalalalala I can't hear you!!!"
It's tiresome.
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We have. Over and over and over and over and over... Those that don't like it stick their fingers in their ears and scream: "lalalalala I can't hear you!!!"
It's tiresome.
I don't see how pointing out the new Treks film are doing what Trek has always done is calling anything mediocre.
It's not really one making an argument that past Trek was always mediocre, it's just an attempt at telling one "it happened before in episode number x, so it's okay that they do the same in nuTrek".
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
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Yep. Keenser was the straight man in the duo.
Keenser is their attempt at making a cute little character for the kiddies. It's very STAR WARS.
Listening to the commentary on Classic Doctor Who has given me a new perspective. The audience that the New Doctor Who, and the New Star Trek, desire a faster pace to their stories. They want less talking in their stories. Many of the films of yesteryear would never be made today.
For myself personally, I wish for a Star Trek film that is not a revenge story. However, knowing from reading what international audiences want, that this kind of story translates well, I would not be expecting the next film as anything other than a revenge story.
For myself personally, I wish for a Star Trek film that is not a revenge story. However, knowing from reading what international audiences want, that this kind of story translates well, I would not be expecting the next film as anything other than a revenge story.
And there's the rub. Star Trek isn't exactly the high brow intellectual think piece people like to cast it as. They confuse the legend, hype and spin with the reality of what Star Trek is.It's not really one making an argument that past Trek was always mediocre, it's just an attempt at telling one "it happened before in episode number x, so it's okay that they do the same in nuTrek".
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
Yes, becuase all aliens are going to look like people with rubber foreheads and anything that doesn't is them trying to make cure aliens
I agree that it is tiresome. The majority of criticism against Abrams Trek is it that is a mindless action film, and that ends it. If I attempt to argue against it, then I am...um, delusional?
I'm not sure, but I apparently didn't watch the same film. But, I'll put it quite simple that Abrams Trek, for me, was an action adventure movie with some social commentary that I found quite enjoyable.
See, I don't see that as a kiddies marketing move, though I could be wrong, because Keenser didn't receive the same hype to draw kids in like the other cute aliens do in Star Wars because there is, usually, more toy promotions along with it. Like I said, I still could be wrong.
And there's the rub. Star Trek isn't exactly the high brow intellectual think piece people like to cast it as. They confuse the legend, hype and spin with the reality of what Star Trek is.It's not really one making an argument that past Trek was always mediocre, it's just an attempt at telling one "it happened before in episode number x, so it's okay that they do the same in nuTrek".
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
Well said
And there's the rub. Star Trek isn't exactly the high brow intellectual think piece people like to cast it as. They confuse the legend, hype and spin with the reality of what Star Trek is.It's not really one making an argument that past Trek was always mediocre, it's just an attempt at telling one "it happened before in episode number x, so it's okay that they do the same in nuTrek".
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
Of course. For me, STAR TREK is really at its best as a middlebrow sci-fi space opera. It can be intellectual and fun, there just needs the right balance. The freedom of TV shows is that each episode can have its own tone, we can have gripping stuff like "Balance of Terror" or something silly like "The Trouble with Tribbles". The films try to encompass all of those tones but I don't think they pull it off well to make it work. Poofy hands might have worked in a comedic episode, but chucking that in before there's supposed to be a massacre is just strange. It reminds me of a film by committee, everyone chiming in from the offices "this needs some slapstick humor", "we need an action beat right here", "make it dark, gritty", "Scotty should have a cute sidekick". It's trying to be too much all at once, and I'm not really into it.
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And there's the rub. Star Trek isn't exactly the high brow intellectual think piece people like to cast it as. They confuse the legend, hype and spin with the reality of what Star Trek is.It's not really one making an argument that past Trek was always mediocre, it's just an attempt at telling one "it happened before in episode number x, so it's okay that they do the same in nuTrek".
Might as well do a comical segment with Kirk and Chekov turning into salamanders then making babies. Hey, don't complain, it happened before on VOYAGER!
Of course. For me, STAR TREK is really at its best as a middlebrow sci-fi space opera. It can be intellectual and fun, there just needs the right balance. The freedom of TV shows is that each episode can have its own tone, we can have gripping stuff like "Balance of Terror" or something silly like "The Trouble with Tribbles". The films try to encompass all of those tones but I don't think they pull it off well to make it work. Poofy hands might have worked in a comedic episode, but chucking that in before there's supposed to be a massacre is just strange. It reminds me of a film by committee, everyone chiming in from the offices "this needs some slapstick humor", "we need an action beat right here", "make it dark, gritty", "Scotty should have a cute sidekick". It's trying to be too much all at once, and I'm not really into it.
I laughed my ass off at poofy hands, and at numb tongue, and at "I can fix that!"
ST09 is still my favorite Star Trek movie. As far as I'm concerned, it had everything I could have asked for in a Star Trek movie: Action, adventure, pathos, humor, and the familiarity of our favorite characters in their prime. Kick. Ass.
I preferred this kind of humor:
McCoy: "Wait a minute kid, how old are you??"
Chekov: "Seventeen, sir."
McCoy: "Oh good, he's seventeen."
McCoy: "Wait a minute kid, how old are you??"
Chekov: "Seventeen, sir."
McCoy: "Oh good, he's seventeen."
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Certainly, I like that humor, too.
Or the Klingon jokes from TNG, Worf with acne and so on...
Not a huge fan on Keenser either. Pegg is strong enough; I just don't see what a sidekick adds to the franchise.
Scotty is the one core character in TOS Trek who has his own domain and stays there a great deal of the time - McCoy is on the bridge far too often for someone who's stationed elsewhere. In either event, on the old series McCoy at least had one recurring character in his duty station to talk to and have some familiar rapport with - Chapel - whereas Scotty had no one.
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