Do you think they'll keep making Abramsverse movies after #3?

[The Wormhole]

[Also, even Abrams was disappointed with the video game, so it should be taken as a learning experience not as a fatal blow.

Which I refuse to believe. Abrams has total creative authority over the Abramsverse, and has delayed the releases of comics and the YA novels because they hadn't yet been approved by him. If he felt the video game was disappointing, he could have prevented its release.

Based upon what has he delayed YA novels and comics? Because the comics continue on, and the novels are held not under his distribution rights.

Abrams does not have total creative authority, because distribution is controlled by different companies. The films are one part, and the TV, books and other materials are another part. If I recall correctly, Paramount has the freedom to make and distribute films, but CBS controls the rest of the distribution.

It is not that simple at all.

It was mentioned one of the YA novels missed it release date because Pocket Books hadn't received approval from Bad Robot. Indeed, the comics all get signed off by Orci, he even gets a credit in them because of that. And then there's the fact that Pocket's Prime Universe novel continuity is at the moment not allowed to touch the destruction of Romulus because Bad Robot doesn't want them touching anything from their movies. Bad Robot and by extension Abrams has full creative control over anything related the Abramsverse, the proof is out there.

 

[fireproof78]

Which I refuse to believe. Abrams has total creative authority over the Abramsverse, and has delayed the releases of comics and the YA novels because they hadn't yet been approved by him. If he felt the video game was disappointing, he could have prevented its release.

Based upon what has he delayed YA novels and comics? Because the comics continue on, and the novels are held not under his distribution rights.

Abrams does not have total creative authority, because distribution is controlled by different companies. The films are one part, and the TV, books and other materials are another part. If I recall correctly, Paramount has the freedom to make and distribute films, but CBS controls the rest of the distribution.

It is not that simple at all.

It was mentioned one of the YA novels missed it release date because Pocket Books hadn't received approval from Bad Robot. Indeed, the comics all get signed off by Orci, he even gets a credit in them because of that. And then there's the fact that Pocket's Prime Universe novel continuity is at the moment not allowed to touch the destruction of Romulus because Bad Robot doesn't want them touching anything from their movies. Bad Robot and by extension Abrams has full creative control over anything related the Abramsverse, the proof is out there.

The proof is also out there that the distribution rights are tied up by multiple companies and negotiations did not always go smoothly.

Also, Orci signs off on the comics, but the comics are a smaller aspect of that universe. As King Daniel pointed out, the story lines are often safe, smaller and not really impacting on potential future movie story lines, which would be Orci's main concern.

I'm not saying that Bad Robot doesn't have say-I just disagree with the concept of full control. Bad Robot still has to answer to a higher authority and is limited by how Star Trek is owned.

From what I have read, Abrams would like to do more, but was not willing to fight in negotiations ever step of the way.

I don't think Abramsverse is dry, just that Abrams was brought on to bring freshness to the franchise and direct movies, not oversee his new universe he created.

 

[drt]

From what I have read, Abrams would like to do more, but was not willing to fight in negotiations ever step of the way.

I don't think Abramsverse is dry, just that Abrams was brought on to bring freshness to the franchise and direct movies, not oversee his new universe he created.

I concur.

And I think people misattributed those "licensing issue" quotes to thinking he wanted to oversee some grand new "Abramsverse", whereas my guess is he more likely wanted to have a little more control over certain aspects to benefit the marketing of the movies he'd just made.

 

[Wildman]

They could do a version of STNG's Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, it was originally scripted to be a movie anyway before being cut apart to be a 1 hour series episode. Or Brent Spiner's idea of doing one with ALL the captains coming together to fight a common foe that is virtually indestructible and even going back in time to get Kirk and like the Star Trek Trailer #2, Kirk delivers the killing blow.

 

[The Wormhole]

They could do a version of STNG's Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, it was originally scripted to be a movie anyway before being cut apart to be a 1 hour series episode.

Actually, no. When TNG transitioned to movies, one idea being batted around was to remake Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, but that was quickly shot down.

 

[Dukhat]

They could do a version of STNG's Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, it was originally scripted to be a movie anyway before being cut apart to be a 1 hour series episode.

Actually, no. When TNG transitioned to movies, one idea being batted around was to remake Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, but that was quickly shot down.

Still, it would have been much better than what we got.

 

[JWPlatt]

Yep. After all, they remade "The Changeling" into "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and that worked pretty well.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Watch "The Changeling" and "The Immunity Syndrome" back-to-back. All the elements for TMP are right there IMO. The probe searching for its creator on the one hand, and the scale of a massive space phenomena threatening everything in its path on the other.

Maybe that's where the third movie goes. A natural space/time threat sweeping through the Abramsverse, taking everything apart. After several attempts to stop it, the answer is discovered: they have to let it.

 

[The Wormhole]

They could do a version of STNG's Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, it was originally scripted to be a movie anyway before being cut apart to be a 1 hour series episode.

Actually, no. When TNG transitioned to movies, one idea being batted around was to remake Yesterday's Enterprise as a movie, but that was quickly shot down.

Still, it would have been much better than what we got.

Debatable. One of the common criticisms against the TNG movies is that they feel like extended episodes on the big screen. That problem will still exist when you literally take an actual episode and expand it out to 100 minutes or so (typical length of a Prime Trek movie) and stick it on the big screen.

Yep. After all, they remade "The Changeling" into "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and that worked pretty well.

I think you'll generally find Trek fandom divided on the issue of whether TMP worked pretty well or not.

 

[JWPlatt]

I think you'll find "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

 

[Ovation]

Watch "The Changeling" and "The Immunity Syndrome" back-to-back. All the elements for TMP are right there IMO. The probe searching for its creator on the one hand, and the scale of a massive space phenomena threatening everything in its path on the other.

Maybe that's where the third movie goes. A natural space/time threat sweeping through the Abramsverse, taking everything apart. After several attempts to stop it, the answer is discovered: they have to let it.

Better pass me that bucket of popcorn. I'm feeling rather queasy.

 

[fireproof78]

I think you'll find "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

Yes, but there is no verbal cue to indicate sarcasm in text. Which is why we now have little winky smiley's to help us with that

TMP, if nothing else, dared to dream bring, and brought an expansive vision to the big screen. Regardless of personal opinion of it, the visuals are something to behold.

I think that a new Abrams movie needs to be willing to go large, like GR did with his initial pitches of a Trek film to Paramount. The negotiations and conceptual ideas were pretty interesting, if not out and out drama pieces at times. However, GR did push for something big, and grand that would bring Trek on to the big screen in a memorable way.

With the technology available today, the next Trek film has the ability to be larger than life, and I hope that is part (emphasis on part, everyone) of the development. The more important being that now we have the characters developed and can be placed in a situation that would demand even more of themselves and have long reaching consequences. I think a Federation Klingon War could be one way of doing that, but I don't think it would be the only way.

Also, it would be nice if they set up another ship that could serve as the basis for a TV series, as well as more of the world building, such as a conflict with the Klingons or Romulans, or a particular nasty section of space that needs charting, etc.

Lots of potential there, in my opinion

 

[Dukhat]

Debatable. One of the common criticisms against the TNG movies is that they feel like extended episodes on the big screen. That problem will still exist when you literally take an actual episode and expand it out to 100 minutes or so (typical length of a Prime Trek movie) and stick it on the big screen.

But we're talking about the classic and next generation crews meeting here, based on an episode widely considered to be one of TNG's finest, not the stupid crap we got with ST: Insurrection (which IIRC was the only TNG film to be compared to an episode). That's comparing apples to oranges.

 

[The Wormhole]

Debatable. One of the common criticisms against the TNG movies is that they feel like extended episodes on the big screen. That problem will still exist when you literally take an actual episode and expand it out to 100 minutes or so (typical length of a Prime Trek movie) and stick it on the big screen.

But we're talking about the classic and next generation crews meeting here, based on an episode widely considered to be one of TNG's finest, not the stupid crap we got with ST: Insurrection (which IIRC was the only TNG film to be compared to an episode). That's comparing apples to oranges.

No, it's been made against all of them. In fact, I distinctly remember a letter sent into Starlog making that complaint about Generations and First Contact long before Insurrection even began production.

 

[Dukhat]

^That's news to me. And quite frankly, it's irrelevant to the topic of conversation anyway.

 

[doubleohfive]

As long as Paramount thinks this iteration of the franchise can make them money (as it has been), they'll keep cranking them out and let's be honest, even the biggest haters will still go to see them along with the rest of us.

 

[JWPlatt]

As long as Paramount thinks this iteration of the franchise can make them money (as it has been), they'll keep cranking them out and let's be honest, even the biggest haters will still go to see them along with the rest of us.

Yep. But the next movie will probably be the first Trek film ever that I will not see in the theater. I'll wait for the DVD/Blu-ray until they get the story back to our Prime Universe.

 

[CorporalClegg]

You'll be waiting for a while.

 

[doubleohfive]

As long as Paramount thinks this iteration of the franchise can make them money (as it has been), they'll keep cranking them out and let's be honest, even the biggest haters will still go to see them along with the rest of us.

Yep. But the next movie will probably be the first Trek film ever that I will not see in the theater. I'll wait for the DVD/Blu-ray until they get the story back to our Prime Universe.

So... you're not ever going to see a Star Trek film in the theaters again. Gotcha.

 

[BillJ]

Yep. But the next movie will probably be the first Trek film ever that I will not see in the theater. I'll wait for the DVD/Blu-ray until they get the story back to our Prime Universe.

"Our" Prime Universe? Outside of TOS, you can have it.

But the above just seems self-defeating. Whenever these big films come out (Trek/TNG/Star Wars/Marvel/DC/etc.), I go out with the wife, get dinner and discuss them good or bad afterward. Just having a great time. Which is what I thought the entertainment experience was suppose to be about?