Should Davros return at some point?
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What about an episode set in the Time War. The Doctor trying to talk Davros out of the war and then trying to save him before Dalek Caan saves Davros instead.
The thing is...would that be the War Doctor, or the Eight Doctor (probably the Eighth since it was the first year of the war).
The thing is...would that be the War Doctor, or the Eight Doctor (probably the Eighth since it was the first year of the war).
^ It seemed from the minisode #8 hadn't taken part in the Time War™ yet, hence the need for a warrior instead of a doctor.
Which seems to be contradictory. The war had been going on, but he didn't fight until after the regeneration.
Which seems to be contradictory. The war had been going on, but he didn't fight until after the regeneration.
Well he did say he tried to save Davros. The Doctor may have been at places during the Time War without actually fighting in it. Saving people and maybe attempting a diplomatic solution. When that had all failed, and he was given another choice, he picked warrior. And probably spent the next 800 or more years fighting or trying everything he could to end the war. Finailly coming to The Moment and burning Gallifrey and taking the Daleks with them. (then 400 or so years later, changing his mind and does not use the Moment, but instead puts Gallifrey into stasis and blows up the Dalek fleet in a crossfire).
So Eight might have been around doing stuff before he started to fight as the War Doctor.
So Eight might have been around doing stuff before he started to fight as the War Doctor.
My interpretation was that #8 had spent many years as a conscientious objector to the war, flitting around and saving people and preventing castastrophies caused by both sides. Then when he regenerates into #8.5 he actively joins the Time Lord cause, fights for many years with them, then at the end goes rogue and steals the Moment to end the war.
Anything to get McGann back I suppose would be in order. Hurt is good too, but McGann's a main known Doctor with a lack of screen time. Hurt's War Doctor is busy blowing up Daleks.
Speaking of the Time War...does the 12th Doctor still have the Moment? He didn't use it, but did he disable it and leave it on Gallifrey, or did one of the Doctor's take it with him?
Speaking of the Time War...does the 12th Doctor still have the Moment? He didn't use it, but did he disable it and leave it on Gallifrey, or did one of the Doctor's take it with him?
In Night of the Doctor, the Eighth says he helps out where he can but stays out of the fighting. Presumably, it was the Eighth Doctor who attempted to save Davros, as that was in the Time War's first year, and we know the Time War had been long active by the time the Eighth became the War Doctor and joined in.
Day of the Doctor didn't really mention what ultimately happened to the Moment. Some have speculated the Curator is in fact the Moment having taken on another form. Honestly, it's just as valid as the older future Doctor theories.
If one of the other Doctors took it with them it would've vanished when the timeline "reset" itself.
More likely disabled and left in the barn on Gallifrey, trapped in stasis like everything else.
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Not sure about this but I think I recall there was a scene in the script for Journey's End which explained Davros's origin (ala the Master in Sound of Drums). Basically it would've shown him as a scientist and then the incident which led to his disfigurement. (Although I think the audios have done that as well).
Yes, "I, Davros" a 4 CD "mini-series" went into that in detail. The first CD covers his childhood. The second and third disc cover his adult year up to the "incident" and the final CD has the the twisted fusion of man and machine the universe learned to loathe.
I will admit the "childhood" part seems a tad disjointed from the rest, or at least the first part of the second disc. Without spoiling details, the teenaged Davros does some truly horrific things, demonstrating he was twisted from the start. But when Terry Molley first enters the story as a Kaled in his mid 20s, he's played as an almost "decent" person, merely someone caught within the soul grinding gears of perpetual war. As the yaers progress, we witness his eventual slide into ever unethical actions until the Fates catch up with him to shove him over the edge into pure madness.
I'd almost recommend ignoring the first part and start with the second CD, but there are several conditions that are staged in the first "chapter" that come to fruition later, so it IS kinda' required.
But then, that's a purely biased opinion I'll admit.
Sincerely,
Bill
I will admit the "childhood" part seems a tad disjointed from the rest, or at least the first part of the second disc. Without spoiling details, the teenaged Davros does some truly horrific things, demonstrating he was twisted from the start. But when Terry Molley first enters the story as a Kaled in his mid 20s, he's played as an almost "decent" person, merely someone caught within the soul grinding gears of perpetual war. As the yaers progress, we witness his eventual slide into ever unethical actions until the Fates catch up with him to shove him over the edge into pure madness.
I'd almost recommend ignoring the first part and start with the second CD, but there are several conditions that are staged in the first "chapter" that come to fruition later, so it IS kinda' required.
But then, that's a purely biased opinion I'll admit.
Sincerely,
Bill
Yep, in fact the script portion containing that scene is copied in The Writer's Tale.
If they ever did that it'd be a nice touch if Davros was shown as being a thoroughly nasty piece of work even before becoming disabled/disfigured rather than there being any implicit notion that he becomes a monster simply because he looks like a monster.
In Genesis the Timelords should have sent the Doctor back even earlier, not so much to kill Davros, per se, but maybe prevent his accident and thus preventing his decent into madness.
I would assume during the Timewar the Timelords may have thought to go back before Genesis and kill Davros or even destroy Skaro before life even began there. I suppose the Daleks were so advance by that time they have some sort of Timelock around Skaro to prevent them the Timelord from doing that.
As for Davros, love to see him back, I just got done watching Death to, Genesis, Destiny and Resurrection of Daleks again on Hulu
I would assume during the Timewar the Timelords may have thought to go back before Genesis and kill Davros or even destroy Skaro before life even began there. I suppose the Daleks were so advance by that time they have some sort of Timelock around Skaro to prevent them the Timelord from doing that.
As for Davros, love to see him back, I just got done watching Death to, Genesis, Destiny and Resurrection of Daleks again on Hulu
Somewhat related to the discussion of his possible return, I wish the designers would "tweak" the makeup just a touchm assuming Julian Bleach is hired again to play him. If another actor, they might substantially revise the design. Who knows?
Anyway, if numerical values have any meaning here, I'd say I liked, oh, 90 percent of the makeup design Bleach wore. It had the near desicated, mummy-like features of the Wisher mask with the horrifying "melted", empty eye sockets of the Molloy makeup, essentially, the best of both worlds. But I wsa rather disappointed they did away with the somewhat expanded cranium that both the Wisher and Molloy designs possessed. If the accounts hold any validity, The expanded skull was supposedly an homage to the Mekon, a character from the Dan Dare comics, a being with a physically frail body but a heightened intellect.
I rather like the suggested irony that Davros himself was a "Muto", but the only reason he was not banished to the wastelands outside the last fortified Kaled city was due to his superior intelligence resulting in advanced engineering skills. Maybe because he was a mutation, the Kaled government forbid him to sire any children, fearing his larger brain might not "breed true", but instead, other, far more detrimental mutations might result in his offspring. Naturally, this would gall Davros to the core. But, before he has the opportunity to defy the State's ruling, he experiences the events that places him within his life support chair. At that point, he literally can not sire a "master race" in the more conventional manner, which serves as an added incentive to creating "children" by proxy, the Daleks.
Yes, I know that goes against the material presented in the Big Finish stories, but it's an idea I've heard bounced around fandom some years before Big Finish wrote their scripts.
Anyway, back to the point, I want Davros to get back his big a$$ skull. But if Bleach returns in the role, I suspect they will reuse the design they established. At most, they'll probably just enhance his chair.
Sincerely,
Bill
Anyway, if numerical values have any meaning here, I'd say I liked, oh, 90 percent of the makeup design Bleach wore. It had the near desicated, mummy-like features of the Wisher mask with the horrifying "melted", empty eye sockets of the Molloy makeup, essentially, the best of both worlds. But I wsa rather disappointed they did away with the somewhat expanded cranium that both the Wisher and Molloy designs possessed. If the accounts hold any validity, The expanded skull was supposedly an homage to the Mekon, a character from the Dan Dare comics, a being with a physically frail body but a heightened intellect.
I rather like the suggested irony that Davros himself was a "Muto", but the only reason he was not banished to the wastelands outside the last fortified Kaled city was due to his superior intelligence resulting in advanced engineering skills. Maybe because he was a mutation, the Kaled government forbid him to sire any children, fearing his larger brain might not "breed true", but instead, other, far more detrimental mutations might result in his offspring. Naturally, this would gall Davros to the core. But, before he has the opportunity to defy the State's ruling, he experiences the events that places him within his life support chair. At that point, he literally can not sire a "master race" in the more conventional manner, which serves as an added incentive to creating "children" by proxy, the Daleks.
Yes, I know that goes against the material presented in the Big Finish stories, but it's an idea I've heard bounced around fandom some years before Big Finish wrote their scripts.
Anyway, back to the point, I want Davros to get back his big a$$ skull. But if Bleach returns in the role, I suspect they will reuse the design they established. At most, they'll probably just enhance his chair.
Sincerely,
Bill
I have the feeling that before the Time Lords meddled in Dalek history that Davros was largely forgotten by the Daleks. It was because of the meddling that Davros gained importance. The Time Lords were working with knowledge gained from Daleks before this point, and wouldn't have known of Davros.
According to Gallifrey Adventures Audios, Series 6 (As well as RTD intimations outside the show), the first strike of The Time War was Genesis of The Daleks, after Davros was already well on his way to making The Daleks we know
I can't believe it's that easy to identify a "first strike" in a time war.
It's like that scene from Curse Of Fatal Death.."but I went back to an even earlier point in time and bribed the architect"
It's like that scene from Curse Of Fatal Death.."but I went back to an even earlier point in time and bribed the architect"
Oh, I can definitely imagine, that later on they went back earlier.
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