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Rate 8x12: Death In Heaven

Rate Death In Heaven

  • Cyber-Fist Excellent!

    Votes: 43 30.3%
  • A Good Man Goes To War

    Votes: 54 38.0%
  • Emotions Are Overrated

    Votes: 21 14.8%
  • Not Taking The Baster's Bait

    Votes: 10 7.0%
  • Hell Not Heaven

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • Total voters
    142
The thing is Skaro was destroyed in the 7th Doctor's era, and yet came back just before the 8th Doctor came about, and then was destroyed again in the Time War, but then, there it is.
Maybe there's more than one Skaro?:shrug:

The one in the TV movie onward* could be a conquered planet they turned into a new home world and renamed Skaro.





*Don't remember if they said it was destroyed during the Time War
 
The novels have an explanation for that I think, that the Skaro in Rememberance was a decoy.

The War of the Daleks retcon! Yes, the Skaro destroyed in "Remembrance" was a decoy planet that had fooled the Doctor and Davros for thousands of years. (The Daleks built a reconstruction of the Dalek bunker and put Davros in it, so when he woke he believed he was still on Skaro. He wasn't.)

I opt for a different explanation. The Hand of Skaro induced a nova in the Skaro sun, but the nova wasn't energetic enough to destroy the planet. Now, Skaro orbits a white dwarf that was once Skaro's sun.
 
Only problem with that is the dialogue that states Skaro is vaporized. Although the Doctor states it's a burnt cinder later on.
 
I opt for a different explanation. The Hand of Skaro induced a nova in the Skaro sun, but the nova wasn't energetic enough to destroy the planet. Now, Skaro orbits a white dwarf that was once Skaro's sun.

Doc-7 definitely said supernova, not nova, so the star system containing Skaro would definitely have been wiped out.
 
The novels have an explanation for that I think, that the Skaro in Rememberance was a decoy.

The War of the Daleks retcon! Yes, the Skaro destroyed in "Remembrance" was a decoy planet that had fooled the Doctor and Davros for thousands of years. (The Daleks built a reconstruction of the Dalek bunker and put Davros in it, so when he woke he believed he was still on Skaro. He wasn't.)

I opt for a different explanation. The Hand of Skaro induced a nova in the Skaro sun, but the nova wasn't energetic enough to destroy the planet. Now, Skaro orbits a white dwarf that was once Skaro's sun.

No, the Hand Of Omega destroyed Skaro and aparently it was destroyed again in the first year of the Time War, yet the Doctor still went there in Asylum Of The Daleks.
 
But in the Time War things were getting destroyed and coming back again as time travel was being used to reverse battles so it's possible Skaro was destroyed and returned again.
 
Chuck Wendig writes, about world building,

18. THE RULES
you should know the rules and conform to them.

Googling him, his CV doesn't indicate why I should take him seriously but leaving that aside... no...no...no... Doctor Who isn't an american Sci-Fi show it has never been an american sci-fi show - consistency (The Doctor is a time traveller) has been the watch-word never continuity.

Rules are 'true' in Doctor Who until the writer is bored of them or they drop off the bottom (because nobody remembers them) and that is how it should remain.
 
Chuck Wendig writes, about world building,

18. THE RULES
you should know the rules and conform to them.

Googling him, his CV doesn't indicate why I should take him seriously but leaving that aside... no...no...no... Doctor Who isn't an american Sci-Fi show it has never been an american sci-fi show - consistency (The Doctor is a time traveller) has been the watch-word never continuity.

Rules are 'true' in Doctor Who until the writer is bored of them or they drop off the bottom (because nobody remembers them) and that is how it should remain.

Yup, even RTD made and broke rules all the time.

I mean when the Doctor saved Adelaide Brooke and changed the timeline shouldn't the Reapers have shown up?
 
You know what would've been cool? If the kid Clara had visited in Listen was actually a young Master. Thats how Missy knew to make her contact the Eleventh Doctor in Bells of St. John and thus, bring things full circle.

You'd think they'd bother connecting Missy and Clara in a surprising, in-series way, but nope, lets remember that part from that episode of series 7 that probably was meant to be filled by the Moment. But whatever.
 
I agree, RTD definitely dropped the ball by introducing the Reapers in "Father's Day" and then never using or referencing them again. That was a big disappointment.
 
Yup, even RTD made and broke rules all the time.

I mean when the Doctor saved Adelaide Brooke and changed the timeline shouldn't the Reapers have shown up?

Just yesterday, io9 cited "Father's Day" as one of the "10 TV Episodes That Everybody Pretends Never Happened." Writes Charlie Jane Anders:

But the whole plot of this actually quite wonderful episode depends on the idea that if you cross your own timeline, huge time vultures will appear and eat everybody. If the show had stuck to that rule since then, a lot of the past five years would look very different, including the "Christmas Carol" episode but also a lot of Matt Smith's most pivotal episodes. The absence of time vultures showing up and devouring people every time they intersect with their own pasts is an abiding mystery.

Cornell, unsurprisingly, disagrees entirely with Anders' view of the episode.
 
The Time Vultures didn't appear because of crossing of a time line. They only appeared when Pete, who was supposed to die, didn't. When he did, they disappeared.
 
It isn't just crossing your own timeline that brings out the Time Vultures, it is making huge and fundamental changes to your timeline that lures them in. I don't recall anyone else in NuWho making such drastic changes to their personal history (outside pocket universes), hence we haven't seem the winged creatures again. Which is a shame, IMO.
 
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Right, because if Pete hadn't died, Rose would have lived a different life and probably NOT have been working at the department store she was working at when the Autons drew the Doctor there.
 
Whatever about Moffatt ignoring the Time Vultures, shouldn't Davies have referenced them in The Waters of Mars when Ten changed one of the 'fixed points' in time by saving Adelaide Brooke?
 
I think the voltures thing from Father's Day has more to do with the essential time paradox that are created from crossing your own time stream. Like, Rose saving her dad created a paradox in how her earlier self and the Doctor essentially didn't see Pete dying. Thatas paradoxical, because it didn't happen, but couldn't not have happened.

And the scientist in Waters of Mars killed herself in the end. She fixed the timeline, probably just in time.
 
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