The EMH: Where does draw the line?

[Guy Gardener]

Everyone in Starfleet had to thunderdome 4 other persons trying to get into the Academy.

I imagine that Worf's psych test, that he warned Wesley about, was to bathe in a pit of live Tribbles.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Without killing any of them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Killing?

I said "bathe".

Most people bathe naked.

I personally find it hard to focus on my intentional killings when I'm trying not to do any accidental fuckings, but maybe Worf is one of those people that can pat his head and rub his 8-pack or smooth abs at the same time?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't understand why you haven't made a gerbil joke by now.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Southpark perfected that Joke superhumanly.

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No parade for retreading that territory.

I'm wondering about the 5 person spread vying for one spot.

Is selection random or is it carefully designed?

Could Paris beat 4 Vulcans?

As an Admirals son, a legacy, you'd wonder if he got in and won a place no matter who he had to show down against, or were weak morons selected as his premium opposition so that he couldn't lose?

They can't have been after literally the best, because literally the best would be boring and the same, Vulcans, but what if they were after archetypes? 5 persons that can satisfy specific needs of Starfleet?

 

[Makarov]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/technology/elon-musk-artificial-intelligence-demon/index.html interesting...

 

[Melakon]

Paris probably has an advantage over Vulcans in thinking outside the box and instinctive reactions in piloting situations. Vulcans might tend to overanalyze a situation before reacting.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Paris vs. 4 beautiful lady Vulcans?

 

[Melakon]

Oh, well, then he loses the test, but wins by getting 4 babes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

AH!

To "get them" in he vein of a Porky's movie, Tom would have to artificially trigger their Ponn Farr quadrilaterally, after which these highly intelligent and distinguished scientists would be as intelligble as the thugs crowing about last nights conquests at Inspiration Point in any 20th century human highschool football locker room.

In (some) US Colleges if your roomate dies, you get A's across the board in everything because it is assumed that it it difficult to study while grieving.

Either these women fought each other to the death until there was enough room on Tom to facilitate their needs, or they raped Tom to death, but if any one of them died, Human or Vulcan, and that passing grades rule from old Earth carried over into Starfleet, then everyone (that survives) wins.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

I mean...he seems to only treat holograms who know they are holograms with equal treatment. Regardless of what they were programmed to do or think, if they are aware of their real nature he seems to treat them differently.

Do you think he would treat a human who was unaware of what/who they were because of extreme disability or a coma differently? I see him as upholding the value of humanoid life regardless of sentience. And I also see him one day thinking.. but wait, why don't I do this with holograms? And once he goes down that path he's going to be a total lunatic.

I think he seems to treat all organic life the same way.

Now that I think of it though, in "Warhead", the machine bomb thing didn't know what it was and he still wanted it treated with the most utmost respect. So I don't really know.

I don't think he would fight for the rights of any hologram that's lingering around the database. But if it's either aware or always running or if he has elongated interaction with it then he does. At least from what I've observed by watching the show. Not counting the novels.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He exterminated Neelix's cheese that was co-opting the bioneural gel packs, and then viciously exterminated the syphilis in Tuvok and Janeway.

 

[Borough 31]

Others?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but you'll have to convince me that the Doctor is sentient, unless you mean others apart from Moriarty.

It's made pretty clear that he's sentient. His responses aren't just merely dictated by code.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You stick a hundred EMHs in a hundred identical locked rooms and ask them a hundred identical questions.

You'll see a pattern, because they have identical programming.

They come off a production line.

If they are not exactly the same, then they are not safe and people die.

 

[jaz'a]

Marriage between the rich before the 19th century was mostly institutional rape.

Men didn't know that they needed manners, and women didn't know that they could say "No thank you".

This is what used to pass for government.

Not sure if you're serious or not. It used to be commonly held belief that a woman could not get pregnant if she had not orgasmed. That is why women pregnant from rape were often told they had to repent of their sin.

Marriage was not what it is today, but nor was it what you have written here.

On topic: Another vote that the EMH was sentient. They should have altered his program the moment he started spouting that nonsense. Generally he treated other holograms the way that those around him treated him. Like the computer programs they were.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't think he was sentient, and I also don't think Data was sentient.

I may however be a future luddite in this regard. I am willing to be wrong.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The difference should have been that Soong was trying to make a sentient computer.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

But what if the EMH's programming got glitched and it tried to make a sentient hologram after that?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Accidentally sentient is possible

Factory specifications sentient is not.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

SO.. let's say he is accidentally sentient. With blueprints. Isn't it scary to think he can sentient-ize other holograms, maybe perfect the sentient-izing process so it's a piece of code he just adds to every toaster out there?