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The Walking Dead Season 5
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One theory I read was that they wanted to get information from Rick about the bag. The other people (from train car D) were done first so as not to anger Rick. If they killed any of his friends first, then they were a lot less likely to get that information. They were going to kill him anyways though, so I don't know why Rick even bothered.
Knowing they treated people like cattle and then seeing them treat people as cattle...chilling.
Granted it would have worked even if the gang was not there. Personally, I was sure the medic was a goner, but I am glad he survived. Poor dude is just so tickled to have friends.
I don't know how many times this show has had me screaming "no not the baby" at the TV screen. Tyrese is Judith's guardian angel.
...and Carol totally wins the epic badass award. Daryl will have to hand over the trophy.
Does anybody recall if anyone on the show has ever used the word anarchy?
I don't ever recall anyone ever using it, & that's exactly what they're in. The rules of civilized life are different in an anarchy. That doesn't mean everybody should be marauders & scoundrels, but it does mean you prepare for the likelihood that everyone else might be. They didn't finish dealing with Terminus the way people navigating in anarchy should
I don't ever recall anyone ever using it, & that's exactly what they're in. The rules of civilized life are different in an anarchy. That doesn't mean everybody should be marauders & scoundrels, but it does mean you prepare for the likelihood that everyone else might be. They didn't finish dealing with Terminus the way people navigating in anarchy should
Yeah, the writers were kinda obvious on that one...lol
Suddenly, when the butchers come to Glenn, there are constant interruptions.
Now, even if our 'heroes' were going to make it out alive, which they did, it would have been cool to have seen some cleverness inserted in.
Things like that kinda take me out of the immersion of the show.
I am so glad Terminus was dealt with in the first ep, and not dragged out. Though I can appreciate the long drawn out things, the farm, the prison, woodbury, sometimes you just gotta get past things and move on. Loved the premier, action packed, they need to keep this pace up this season IMO. I hope Beth is ok.
Exactly. It chilled me to the bone. It's scary how fast that they've gone down that path to considering other human beings as such.
Remember, in the S2 finale, Rick snapped at the memory of Jenner--calling him crazy, so there's no consensus on the validity of all Jenner stated. Moreover, he (Jenner) admitted he was not the top person--or even understood it on the level of his wife or the dead team. That said, the original group should be cautious about anyone else claiming to have a cure, but never dismiss them outright.
While true, Rick's group does not know what TV audiences do, so they have no reason to just write him off. Honestly, do they have anything better to do--other than keep finding themselves in one death battle to another.
Suddenly, when the butchers come to Glenn, there are constant interruptions.
Now, even if our 'heroes' were going to make it out alive, which they did, it would have been cool to have seen some cleverness inserted in.
Things like that kinda take me out of the immersion of the show.
The entire "Glenn will/will not head his head cracked" was a tease for all of the fans who think they know what's coming--or spent the summer trying to analyze random behind the scenes photos.
However, I do question Maggie's overconfidence about how Rick & company would return to rescue them from the boxcar. She was 100% wrong, and if not for Carol (the unknown element), the captives would have died in a matter of minutes.
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I'm going to say Jenner gets the protective umbrella as the exposition-delivery boy. That saying, the purpose of his character was to give information to the audience on how everything works and as much of an idea on how/why it is happening as we'll likely ever get. So there's no reason to doubt what he told us as it's pretty much straight from the creators' mouths.
That he's "not an expert" is an escape hatch for any time the show wants to step out of its boundaries set in the episode. Sort of like how Jenner says the resurrection occurs anywhere between a few minutes to a many hours. It's a cushion there so the show can have the resurrection take whatever length of time as is dramatically necessary. (Several hours in the case of Andrea mourning over Amy, minutes for when Shane is killed or for most of the time when foes are killed but left intact so that they'll turn for strategic or spiteful reasons.)
That's hard to really say, Carol may have given them more time, but Rick was already working on an escape with the wooden stake he got from the railcar. What his overall plan was is very hard to say, or if it could have been done soon enough to save Glenn, but Rick was already working on his escape plan.
And I know you have a little hard-on for Carol being the Bestest Leader who Ever Leaded (but obviously wasn't enough of a strong-headed leader/person to get herself and her daughter out of an abusive relationship) but let's be honest, that Carol pulled off what she did strains the suspension of disbelief quite a bit. Even if we allow for the TV/movie trope that shooting the propane tank/spillage would cause the whole thing to explode.
The Termite leader said he'd seen Rick and his group bury the bag of weapons so they must have lookouts around, so why didn't Carol get seen? I know she's been using a gun for the better part of a year now and improbable headshots are a trope of this series, but she again shows considerable proficiency with a gun here that she shouldn't yet have. She seems to navigate through Terminus, by herself, looking like a walker pretty easily and gets pretty embedded in the compound considering the chaos going on with the Termites killing walkers.
And exactly where did she go after leaving Tasha for walker-food? She walks out the door and next we see her is in the woods, perfectly clean, meeting with the gang.
Again, there's often been a lot of improbabilities we've had to endure with this show in the name of keeping our heroes around. I'm not sure Glenn has bought the bad-assery to kill a walker while alone in a room with one (Season 3) or Tyrese to kill off a small herd of them off-camera (this episode.) Daryl, Rick and certainly Michonne have bought the leeway to fight walkers off, or on, camera and survive. But I'm not sure Carol has, given her character's history (again, this was a week-willed woman who just a year or two ago was in an abusive relationship with a man who was sexually abusing their daughter), bought the hand-waving that she can pull-off this level of bad-assery.
So she pulled this off in a "write the cliffhanger into a corner, figure the rest out later" sort of way. She was the "the Borg knows what Picard knows, sot he deflector thing won't work" for this episode. And she won by "Picard knows what the Borg knows so, "sleep" will end the crisis that'll destroy Earth."
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^Meh, you're being a bit tough on Carol's skills. They are stretching a bit, but not so far as to lose me completely. Carol changed a great deal at the prison. Sort of became the prison weapons instructor. Maggie stepped up her skills in that time as well, plus the time before they found the prison, while they were in their previous nomadic stretch
Rick mostly thinks him crazy because he was committing suicide & planning to take them all down with him. That doesn't negate the rest of what they learned there. I'm by no means suggesting Jenner is the gospel and highest authority, but he did offer a lot of facts, more than anyone else since, and enough that they have a bit more knowledge than most people who might be taken in by a grifter like Eugene.
Well, just about anything they do would be savvier than marching a dozen or so haggard gypsies into one of the most densely populated areas in North America, just so Professor Mullet can tinker with some "Terminals" If I'd just gotten reunited with my infant daughter, that's the last thing I'm doing, given the abysmal amount of info that schmuck is doling out.
Still, Rick doubted Jenner in the S2 finale, so the original group cannot be so sure of the ZA cause. At this point, what would be the motive for suspecting Eugene? Its not every day in that world where people are talking about a cure, or even understanding the "why," so at this point, there's no harm in trusting him to a point.
Rick was working on an escape, but that was a second away from utter failure before the explosion. Even if the batter only manage to hit Glenn, Rick getting loose still has him facing an armed Gareth, the batter, and the throat cutting guy, so Maggie's confidence was not based on anything realistic.
Hard-on for Carol? No, she's just the greatest character in the history of TV..the earth...the universe!!!
Yes, i'm kidding.
Truthfully, Carol's growth makes more sense because she had to overcome much in order to survive and not be--as she said of herself in "Beside the Dying Fire" --a burden. After Ed's abuse, death and the entire Sophia drama, she was on her own (in a sense), and had to decide to embrace survival skills (in mind and skill), or be a victim/burden. Because she was an abused wife, and knowing about threats such as Randal's gang lurking around, she developed a hypersensitivity to danger that others do not share.
Think of it: in S3, while Glenn was ranting in his butthurt over the Governor's abuses, and others were arguing over Merle, Carol took the straight path to a survival solution when she instructed Andrea to kill the Governor. That's the character making necessary, realistic changes in order to bring an end to danger as quickly as possible, instead of dragging things out to the point where one is pushed into a corner.
Teaching the children offense with weapons is another obvious point of growth to that--and how she understood that Sophia not being capable probably cost the girl her life (and said as much to Lizzie in "The Grove").
Considering the two examples, it is not a surprise for Carol to have spent her time learning as much about offensive strategies as possible--with whatever is at her disposal, lest she returns to being a victim when something--anything does not go as planned. That does not make her Captain America, but a seasoned survivor.
She's been using firearms for more than a year, and it does not take that long to be rated a marksman. Andrea spent less time with official training in S2, but quickly became an asset with the weapon. So Carol, between leaving the farm, and the time at the prison--a considerable amount of time--should not be spraying wild rounds.
Sneaking around. How did Michonne know the layout of Woodbury well enough to lead Rick's party to a spot free of guards? She was not at Woodbury long enough to survey so well (and was always watched by henchmen), so....we just have to accept certain things to move the story from point ! to B.
See my Carol assessment.
But again, what did they learn? The time it takes for some to reanimate, and his "we're all infected" line. Aside from that, they really have no idea how or why the ZA virus started. Not one clue--just that everyone has the "bug." At least Eugene provides a clue into that great mystery (and to be clear, I know he's BSing, but Rick's group does not, and should not), and as noted above, who else is walking around talking about a cure?
The last time anyone was experimenting, we had Milton screwing around with wires, and performing new agey sound / memory exercises on a corpse. Its no wonder Andrea's gaze almost yelled "this is a pile of crap."
Here is exactly how you rewrite the opening to make it slightly more believable without changing the plot.
Rick attacks the bat guy just before he hits Glenn, lead to struggle, tense cliffhanger and then the explosion.
Honestly, I think the writers were going for comedy in this scene. They were playing on traditional comedic devices and telling us that it`s only a show.
I can`t wait to read comments about it.
Rick attacks the bat guy just before he hits Glenn, lead to struggle, tense cliffhanger and then the explosion.
Honestly, I think the writers were going for comedy in this scene. They were playing on traditional comedic devices and telling us that it`s only a show.
I can`t wait to read comments about it.
I don't think they were going for laughs. During the early production in May, there were rumors about Steven Yeun leaving the set in some emotional state. That, coupled with fans trying to apply comic plots to the TV version probably inspired the producers to tease something they know fans were expecting.
I was being silly to some degree--but it WAS comedic and out of character for the series.
The things they learned at the CDC
1st hand witnessing of the destruction of the CDC
Everyone is already infected.
Reanimations times are widely ranged
"Very Few" people ever got to see the playback of test subject 19, which one would assume was their last & most extensive study
The infection invades the brain like Meningitis, then the adrenal glands hemorrhage.
The brain goes into shut down, then the major organs.
It restarts the lower brainstem function.
Could be microbial, viral, or parasitic. No one at the CDC had determined what it was, after experimenting on 18 pervious test subjects.
They all abandoned the facility & research, or killed themselves
The French were one of the last to be working on a solution, until catastrophic power failure shut them down, the same way the CDC was going down
Without power, the hope of using a similar facility to devise a solution is near nil. (That one's pretty important)
They house weaponized diseases, pathogens, & microorganisms at the CDC, the knowledge of which was of no help
That Rick now looks unfavorably on Jenner is not an objective perspective. In fact, one of the last things Jenner said to him was that one day he would not be grateful to him anymore, for letting them continue to fight
Jenner had given up. That doesn't make him crazy. Many sane people gave up. Rick might think it's crazy now, but that's because he won't give up. The info they got is still valid, and is of a nature that should shine unfavorable light on Eugene's claims
What he is asking is dangerous, going into D.C. It's something most or all of them wouldn't survive, and where most people wouldn't realize the futility of it, Rick & the season oners should, because if the CDC didn't hold out, then nothing in D.C. will have either, & therefore there's nothing any of them could do with one science guy & a band of gypsies, to repower whatever facility he thinks is worthwhile, such that they can determine, develop & distribute some kind of miracle fix
They should know better. It's a suicide mission, & Eugene is actually too ignorant to know that, or he'd be coming up with a better story
Just because there's no power in Atlanta, that doesn't mean there's no power in Washington DC. Or Boise or wherever. Aircraft carriers or submarines run on nuclear power or whatever.
There may be some power plants around the country that were salvageable or protectable. Or as we saw in this summer's Planet of the Apes movie, maybe they can try to restart something.
That said, just by the simple fact that they haven't shown up to rescue everyone, it's safe to assume that if there is anything left functioning, it's not big enough or powerful enough to form any sort of large government or anything like that.
DC is supposed to have bunkers for the government to survive nuclear attacks, but would any of the necessary scientists have access to them and to equipment to work on the problem?
Are they going to follow the yellow brick road to DC and meet a great and powerful Oz who will solve the walker problem?
Are they going to follow the yellow brick road to DC and meet a great and powerful Oz who will solve the walker problem?
The thing is, none of that is plausible. (Granted, walking corpses is impossible, so take it for what it is worth.) In "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" it's insane and a weak point int he movie that they were trying to restore power to the city after many years of the power grid being impacted. Power plants, transformers, power lines all require maintenance and care. Given the overgrowth we see in "Dawn" it's unlikely that any street-level power lines would be intact after many years that have passed without the lines and poles being maintained and the trees trimmed. To say nothing about what the state of the transformers and the plant itself would be.
Same thing here, power plants and power systems require man-power to keep running, even nuclear plants. People have to replace and maintain equipment, mine and make use of sources of fuel (for coal or other non-renewable resource plants) and so on and so forth. And given the state of the world at this point they'd pretty much have to do it without any real means of compensation other than satisfaction they were keeping something of society going.
If some doctors dedicated to trying to cure a plague that was ending humanity decided to leave or "opt out" then I doubt some schmuck watching over gauges in a power-plant is going to stick around.
Now, Woodbury seemed to be 'trying" to keep some level of normality when it came to their power but even then it seemed like they were trying to ration it likely because they were powering themselves from simple fuel generators and solar panels. But powering a few buildings from a gasoline generator is a lot different than keeping a city or a large, power-hungry, facility going powered by a power-plant.
At this point the power-grid, in all "reality" would be gone. It's been the better part of two years now since the world collapsed and I don't think anyone has been out there keeping the power-lines up or the transformer stations maintained.
Nuclear subs and such? Yeah, likely still powered (and more realistically so, unlike any gasoline-based engine or generator at this point) but that doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes to powering a city. (You can't just run a cable from a sub to a town like your trying to steal power from your neighbor's outdoor outlet.)
Anyway.
Looks like the DVR-adjusted ratings puts the episode up towards 22 million viewers.
Same thing here, power plants and power systems require man-power to keep running, even nuclear plants. People have to replace and maintain equipment, mine and make use of sources of fuel (for coal or other non-renewable resource plants) and so on and so forth. And given the state of the world at this point they'd pretty much have to do it without any real means of compensation other than satisfaction they were keeping something of society going.
If some doctors dedicated to trying to cure a plague that was ending humanity decided to leave or "opt out" then I doubt some schmuck watching over gauges in a power-plant is going to stick around.
Now, Woodbury seemed to be 'trying" to keep some level of normality when it came to their power but even then it seemed like they were trying to ration it likely because they were powering themselves from simple fuel generators and solar panels. But powering a few buildings from a gasoline generator is a lot different than keeping a city or a large, power-hungry, facility going powered by a power-plant.
At this point the power-grid, in all "reality" would be gone. It's been the better part of two years now since the world collapsed and I don't think anyone has been out there keeping the power-lines up or the transformer stations maintained.
Nuclear subs and such? Yeah, likely still powered (and more realistically so, unlike any gasoline-based engine or generator at this point) but that doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes to powering a city. (You can't just run a cable from a sub to a town like your trying to steal power from your neighbor's outdoor outlet.)
Anyway.
Looks like the DVR-adjusted ratings puts the episode up towards 22 million viewers.
I'd venture a guess that the very last place you'd ever want going bust in a crisis like this is the CDC. It IS the place you go to try to fix a problem like this. If a disease has swept the continent, and that place goes down, then, frankly, the disease won.
Somebody needs to come out & ask the twerp just where in "D.C.", better equipped than the CDC to fix this, are we supposed to be going anyhow?
Somebody needs to come out & ask the twerp just where in "D.C.", better equipped than the CDC to fix this, are we supposed to be going anyhow?
Well the guy claimed to have been in contact with people in DC who were working on this. It's not like *all* of the doctors/disease researchers worked at the CDC. The better ones, sure, but there'd still likely be others out there working on this.
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