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The Flash - Season 1

^ Wells is not a character from the comics.

At least not under that name...

I do find it hard to believe they'd kill off Simon Stagg, of all people, after just one episode. Anyway, William Sadler is a good casting choice for the role. It's rather more off-putting that they cast a black actor as Java, a character who in the comics is a Neanderthal. Even aside from the unfortunate (and presumably unintentional) racial implications, it's kind of backward, since Africans are the one human racial group that doesn't have Neanderthal DNA mixed in.

I hope the flashbacks aren't a constant thing. This show doesn't need them the way Arrow does.

Sapphire Stagg can step up?

It is unlikely that any slight was intended when they cast that guy as Java, and anyone who says different is wagging the dog.

There are no subliminal messages in our media trying to provoke race wars?
 
The quote just says "Wells is not a character name from the comics," rather than "Wells is not a character from the comics." Also, it's a quote from the article writer, not from the actual producers, so it doesn't prove anything either way.
 
The IGN article directly cites Johns stating that Wells is an original character for the series even though they don't quote him.
 
Interesting episode. I don't remember Jamie Madrox being a DC villain.

Madrox and Multiplex are two different characters. Madrox is Marvel.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but does anyone thing that Caitlin's dead boyfriend Ronnie will turn out to be one half of Firestorm?
 
Another really fun and entertaining episode. And I liked how it acknowledged the fact that, despite being able to run really fast, Barry is still seriously lacking in any training and fighting skills (although if all else fails, simply slamming people into a wall at super speed does seem to work pretty well for him). I'm hoping in upcoming episodes we'll actually see him get some of that training.
 
^ Wells is not a character from the comics.

At least not under that name...

I do find it hard to believe they'd kill off Simon Stagg, of all people, after just one episode. Anyway, William Sadler is a good casting choice for the role. It's rather more off-putting that they cast a black actor as Java, a character who in the comics is a Neanderthal. Even aside from the unfortunate (and presumably unintentional) racial implications, it's kind of backward, since Africans are the one human racial group that doesn't have Neanderthal DNA mixed in.

I hope the flashbacks aren't a constant thing. This show doesn't need them the way Arrow does.
"Black guy" is currently the default choice when casting a bodyguard. I wouldn't read any more into it than that.
 
Another really fun and entertaining episode. And I liked how it acknowledged the fact that, despite being able to run really fast, Barry is still seriously lacking in any training and fighting skills (although if all else fails, simply slamming people into a wall at super speed does seem to work pretty well for him). I'm hoping in upcoming episodes we'll actually see him get some of that training.

Bill Hicks had a gag about Reginald Denney and the LA Riots, about how Reg was never going to stop his big Mac Truck again if there's a mass of people on he road after what happened to him in LA. He's just going to roll over them. Big Mac Truck vs Pedestrian? There is absolutely no reason to be pulled from your truck and lynched by crazy people when you can turn their bones to paste by putting your foot down on the accelerator.

My point?

Why does Barry slow down to normal speed to fight?

(Quicksilver in Days of Futures past anyone?)

Also, unless (because of his aura?) he becomes proportionately more invulnerable the faster he goes, then at rest, yes Barry should be Bullet Proof and so very, very strong.

Are they going to start talking about the speed force (extradimensional energy altering the nature of real space.) soon, or is it all a physical effect still?
 
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Well I know in the comics and cartoons they've always shown Flash having a bit of super strength to go along with the super speed, because of his stronger and denser muscles or whatever.

But ultimately I wouldn't think punching or kicking someone faster would do any more damage than punching or kicking them at normal speed. And if he goes up against a huge bodybuilder kind of villain, I would still think he'd be in over his head when using his own strength (although obviously he'd have time to find all kinds of other objects to hit the guy with).
 
Interesting episode. I don't remember Jamie Madrox being a DC villain.

Madrox and Multiplex are two different characters. Madrox is Marvel.

I keep wanting to call him Billy Numerous.


Not sure if this has been mentioned, but does anyone thing that Caitlin's dead boyfriend Ronnie will turn out to be one half of Firestorm?

It's already been announced that Robbie Amell will be playing Ronnie Raymond and Victor Garber will be playing Dr. Martin Stein.


And I liked how it acknowledged the fact that, despite being able to run really fast, Barry is still seriously lacking in any training and fighting skills (although if all else fails, simply slamming people into a wall at super speed does seem to work pretty well for him). I'm hoping in upcoming episodes we'll actually see him get some of that training.

I was thinking the same thing. When Joe was telling Barry that he wasn't qualified as a fighter, I wanted Barry to reply, "Then train me." The logical thing is for Joe to teach him how to handle himself when facing criminals.


"Black guy" is currently the default choice when casting a bodyguard. I wouldn't read any more into it than that.

Sure, it wasn't intentional, but my point is there are some unfortunate implications that they failed to recognize. And it could've been fixed simply by giving the guy a different name. After all, if they were just going to kill him off after two scenes, there was nothing to be gained by naming him after a recurring character from the comics.
 
Sure, it wasn't intentional, but my point is there are some unfortunate implications that they failed to recognize. And it could've been fixed simply by giving the guy a different name. After all, if they were just going to kill him off after two scenes, there was nothing to be gained by naming him after a recurring character from the comics.

Eh, I read The Flash comics for a run of 10 years back in the 90's and didn't recognize the reference. The number of viewers that would have picked up on it and be upset by it is vanishingly small.
 
Java & Stagg are attached to Metamorpho, which means (Batman and )the Outsiders is where they really call their home.

In the 90s, Justice League Europe, Sapphire Stagg actually fell in love and wound up with Java for a time.

He's a Neanderthal, and she has an IQ of 80.

Not a bad match.
 
Well I know in the comics and cartoons they've always shown Flash having a bit of super strength to go along with the super speed, because of his stronger and denser muscles or whatever.

But ultimately I wouldn't think punching or kicking someone faster would do any more damage than punching or kicking them at normal speed. And if he goes up against a huge bodybuilder kind of villain, I would still think he'd be in over his head when using his own strength (although obviously he'd have time to find all kinds of other objects to hit the guy with).

He's not just punching people quickly with human strength.

Imagine a friend of yours, stuck the top half of their body out a car window, and then the car charged at you at 88 mph... And then that person with their torso and fists hanging out the window, propelled at 88 miles per hour, punches you as hard as they can as the car passes where you are standing.

Is the effect on your bare chin going to be less or greater than if this friend of yours were just standing in front of you at rest and winding up for a haymaker?
 
It's already been announced that Robbie Amell will be playing Ronnie Raymond and Victor Garber will be playing Dr. Martin Stein.
I've been waiting for news about that. I didn't know it was announced a week ago.

Alias' Victor Garber is joining The Flash as DC's Dr. Martin Stein - one half of the superhero entity known as Firestorm.

After an accident fuses Stein with S.T.A.R. Labs maintenance worker Ronnie Raymond (Robbie Amell), he then races to find a way to separate the two before it’s too late. But it's the combination of these two characters that creates the nuclear-powered hero, Firestorm. Garber's Stein will be introduced on the 12th episode of The Flash.
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Good choice. I'm really looking forward to this. I wonder if we'll see Firestorm in costume.
 
Why does Barry slow down to normal speed to fight?

(Quicksilver in Days of Futures past anyone?)
This bothered me too. We've already seen him dance circles around Iris with her appearing almost frozen... Perhaps he can only do it while aroused? :lol:
 
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