Many just dont want them to overpower the new amamzing cast. its not fair and right to me. The TOS story line of Khan overpowered the STID whole story line.
I was hoping for something fresh and original with little ties to TOS.
Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Nimoy in Star Trek 3
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Many just dont want them to overpower the new amamzing cast. its not fair and right to me. The TOS story line of Khan overpowered the STID whole story line.
I was hoping for something fresh and original with little ties to TOS.
Since it wasn't the TOS storyline, I'd say this analysis rings false.
I think there can be fun to be had with Shatner and Nimoy in the fold. For the cast and for the audiences. I watch this stuff to be entertained.
I agree. This movie will pay tribute to the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. I think celebrating Star Trek's 50th anniversary is something very special.
It'd be nice to see two icones together in Trek cannon one last time. We aren't going to see these people much longer unfortunately.
I really hope they do make it into this next movie not only for that reason, but also for the 50th anniversary Star Trek.
So could Orci have the formula in his script to reunite these two sci-fi legends one last time? I don´t know. But I wish Orci be blessed by this story.
The speculation is reminiscent of the 2009 movie and 'will the old Doctors be in the Who 50th' all over again but Shatner leaked that Orci wants him and Nimoy in the move - now it's a case of whether he'll sign the contract.
If it is either a Deadly Years situation or older NuKirk and Spock from the future of this new timeline then it will work - Shatner looks noticably older than he did 20 years ago!
Ether way I SO want this to happen! 2016 marks 50 years of Trek; yes you have the new crew but Shatner & Nimoy together again would be amazing.
ANOTHER THOUGHT: Remember that it was leaked during/before production that Spock would be from the Prime Timeline and would travel back in time thus a new universe would be created? And it was revealed early that John Harrison was Khan so maybe this is another leak?
If it is either a Deadly Years situation or older NuKirk and Spock from the future of this new timeline then it will work - Shatner looks noticably older than he did 20 years ago!
Ether way I SO want this to happen! 2016 marks 50 years of Trek; yes you have the new crew but Shatner & Nimoy together again would be amazing.
ANOTHER THOUGHT: Remember that it was leaked during/before production that Spock would be from the Prime Timeline and would travel back in time thus a new universe would be created? And it was revealed early that John Harrison was Khan so maybe this is another leak?
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Yes. I remember AICN has revealed that a romulan ship aciddentally came back in time before Kirk was born.
Where there is smoke, there is fire, but we will have to wait a little bit more to see what happens.
It seems to me that Orci and his group find away to bring back Shatner and Nimoy. But it´s need to sign a contract, how many Shat e Nimoy will earn, image rights, and etc..
If it´s true, I hope Shatner or Nimoy (I think Nimoy is problematic because his health) come to Brazil to promote movie. Neither JJ nor cast members came here to promote two movies and there are many brasillian trekkers, both old and new generation.
Where there is smoke, there is fire, but we will have to wait a little bit more to see what happens.
It seems to me that Orci and his group find away to bring back Shatner and Nimoy. But it´s need to sign a contract, how many Shat e Nimoy will earn, image rights, and etc..
If it´s true, I hope Shatner or Nimoy (I think Nimoy is problematic because his health) come to Brazil to promote movie. Neither JJ nor cast members came here to promote two movies and there are many brasillian trekkers, both old and new generation.
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i wrote that because I'm really excited about the idea and needed to get it out of the system! Also interesting to note that they are filming mainly in Vancouver rather than LA, from February apparantly.
I think Nimoy has been to New York since his diagnosis so he can still manage a bit of travelling - people forget with The Cage Nimoy has been there since the beginning; or rather before the beginning! Star Trek's longest serving character/actor 1964-2013 so far; One hell of an achievement.
I must have been asleep when I wrote that post.
Yes, Screenwriting 101 is 'show don't tell'....however, as I meant to say
...nuTrek tends to 'tell' and not show. For example, we are told how amazing nuKirk is, but he still needs to grow (and grow up). We haven't really seen how amazing he is. Or, we are told who Khan is, but we don't get any more than that.A third film should challenge our nuCrew.
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Yes, Screenwriting 101 is 'show don't tell'....however, as I meant to say
I think we see plenty of what makes Kirk amazing in these films. From the orbital sky jump to saving Earth to realigning the Enterprise warp core.
Here's the reality of the situation: most people have, still do, and always will associate Star Trek with Shatner and Nimoy.
I disagree with this reasoning here.
People associate every franchise with the actors that are in it. In this specific franchise, the reboot trilogy, Shatner and Nimoy are not essential and they'd just be quest stars.
The reboot does have its own fanbase and support among critics that they are not interested about giving cameos to old actors at any cost and at the expense of the current actors and a good story.
It's like saying that those who went watching the new Superman movies wanted to see Christopher Reeve at any cost because he was the first original superman
Or that in the tv-show Smallville they should have celebrated the old superman actors instead of focusing on Tom Welling's superman and his own character development.
That's pretentious because the general audience doesn't work like that.
People associate every franchise with the actors that are in it. In this specific franchise, the reboot trilogy, Shatner and Nimoy are not essential and they'd just be quest stars.
The reboot does have its own fanbase and support among critics that they are not interested about giving cameos to old actors at any cost and at the expense of the current actors and a good story.
It's like saying that those who went watching the new Superman movies wanted to see Christopher Reeve at any cost because he was the first original superman
Or that in the tv-show Smallville they should have celebrated the old superman actors instead of focusing on Tom Welling's superman and his own character development.
That's pretentious because the general audience doesn't work like that.
No, the general audience DOES work like that. It's the fanbase that does not.
What is flawed is the comparison of Trek to franchises like Superman, Batman, or Bond. The trend of replacing actors to fill the same role was set long ago on those fronts. Star Trek is unique in the sense that only in the last 5 years of a 50 year run has anyone other than Shatner and Nimoy played Kirk and Spock -- that's 10% of the show's lifetime (and for Nimoy, it's effectively 100%, despite Quinto).
I guarantee you if you quiz the general public on who they think of when you say "Captain Kirk", it's not going to be Chris Pine.
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While the idea isn't my first choice, I think the 50th Anniversary makes this a completely different argument. Shatner and Nimoy are "Star Trek" to millions (if not more) people and this anniversary would likely be the last time we see either of them portray the characters that people are still talking about a half-century later.
Either way, I want a fun movie.
Hopefully it'll be one of those multilayered things. Old-time fans will get a kick out of seeing Shatner and Nimoy as Kirk and Spock one last time (lol, weren't we saying that in '91?) while new fans of Pine and Quinto's versions will just see two old men playing aged versions of those characters. And, if this movie is the end of Abrams-Trek, a tiny glimpse of the future of that timeline would be cool.
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If it is the end of Abrams-Trek, and the franchise goes back into abeyance for a while, that would be kind of cool, really.
Now, it would be especially neat if they could use movie magic to have Spock Prime meet old Spock from the future of the Abrams timeline, too.
Most people also associated batman with Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton. That did not stop Nolan from making a stand alone Batman film with a very good actor who became as popular and even more successful than keaton's and Burton's batman.
so you point is not really valid.
star wars 7 will work because it is a continuation of the series. this new trek was suppose to be a brand new series set in an alternate universe with TOS Kirk dead and gone.
Bringing him back for fan service and nostalgic reason is kind of silly to me and unnecessary.
I am not against the old guys appearing in the new films. what I am against is them overshadowing the new cast or having major parts in the new films where the plot will center around them.
Neither is yours because Nolan's version wasn't connected to Burton's in any way. It was its own thing. Star Trek (2009) was a continuation of the original Star Trek universe.
If they write Zoe Saldana's pregnancy into the story, I'd get a kick out of seeing Shatner-old-Pine-Kirk and Nimoy-old-Quinto-Spock with Spock and Uhura's grown (and probably ancient by then, depending on how far ahead these older versions of K + S are) son or daughter.
set in an alternate universe where Kirk is dead and spock is suppose to be helping 10000 surviving Vulcans. they are not needed to be major parts of the new plot in the alternate universe.its not fair.
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