Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Nimoy in Star Trek 3

[Smellmet]

I'm generally not in favour of it. I really want this cast to stand on it's own and see Kirk become the awesome tactician we all know and love.

That being said... I did enjoy Spock prime being in ST09, and didn't mind the STID cameo - it was short enough to not damage the movie. I guess if the Shat does have to rock up (as it's clearly starting to become a possibility) it needs to service the story and be brief enough to not overshadow things. To be honest I'd rather see him play the older version of Pine's Kirk however that's done, if he's Prime Kirk I fear another 'Generations' type time travel Maguffin and I don't fancy that.

I'm counting down the days to see this movie. It feels like a long way off still, anything can happen...

 

[BillJ]

I'm not a fan of having Shatner in the next movie. But, if he's there, I want to see him sitting in the Captain's Chair one last time. One of the things I always disliked about how Modern Trek handled the TOS characters was that they never made it to the bridge of the Enterprise. Not McCoy, not Scott, not Spock, not even Kirk.

The bridge was always the center stage of Star Trek and I think it was a disservice to the TOS characters that they we never saw them there.

 

[ChristopherPike]

^ Kirk was shown getting the chair to the Enterprise-B, and opting to give it back to its true owner, while he essentially saved the day in a more hands-on way. He didn't necessarily need to do that again with the D, barking orders to Worf or Riker. I've always seen a parallel with "Arena" and Generations myself. With Kirk ending up fighting some misunderstood bad guy, out in some planetary desert, among the rocks and boulders. He definitely couldn't do fistfights in over a hundred degree heat now, at his age. So you're left with a more supervisory role, remaining seated on the bridge and commanding others running around him.

Probably alone here but I'd sooner the reason for his resurrection be shown as part of the film. Even if they had to cut it out, and make it a DVD/Blu ray extra, or turn the whole thing into an online episode. Something that adds to, but isn't essential to understanding the film. But I bet it'll be given to a prequel comic strip to explain. Like Khan Singh's reawakening, identity reassignment and collusion with Section 31. Or before that, fleshing out Nero's grievance in full. Both of which, had they featured a little less exposition in passing, and a little more shown in depth, would actually improve those villains IMO.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

STID was so horrid that Shatner appearing in Nu Trek III couldn't possibly do any more damage than "Spock, I'm Scared!" At least when Shatner's Kirk died, he died with a shred o' dignity.

So if someone is actually scared of death and admit it, they aren't dying with "dignity"?

When its THE WORST "death" scene in Star Trek history, then yes!

 

[BillJ]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

When its THE WORST "death" scene in Star Trek history, then yes!

Not even close. Not a little bit. I've watched a half dozen redshirts look constipated in their death throes and Tasha Yar with the "red splotch of death".

It looked, on an emotional level, one of the most realistic death scenes in the franchise.

 

[OpenMaw]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

Oh, my.

I hope my macabre humour was not lost on you M'Sharak. I was, of course, being quite facetious there...

 

[Ovation]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

When its THE WORST "death" scene in Star Trek history, then yes!

Not even close. Not a little bit. I've watched a half dozen redshirts look constipated in their death throes and Tasha Yar with the "red splotch of death".

It looked, on an emotional level, one of the most realistic death scenes in the franchise.

Quite so.

 

[Mudd]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

...THE WORST "death" scene in Star Trek history...

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Don't really think there is a worst. Clearly the best is Spock's*, but aside from that, a death's a death.

*second best is Olson's. No, seriously.

 

[Commishsleer]

not if the critics declare this movie a flop because it has even more fanservice and homages than those they didn't like in the the last movie, and thus paramount won't make them do more movies.

Critics are critics.
At least one critic is bound to dislike every aspect of a movie.

No-one but the fans care about the homages. Its only us who say Carol Marcus was an American, Kirk had green eyes, Chekov didn't have curly hair.
Are non-fans offended by the cameo by Spock Prime? I really doubt it.

If they just shoved Shatner into the next movie liked they did in GEN or listened to his suggestions to make his role 'meaningful' then I'd be concerned. If they really want him in the movie just send him a script and ask him Yes or No.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

Oh, my.

I hope my macabre humour was not lost on you M'Sharak. I was, of course, being quite facetious there...

No worries. I got it.

 

[OpenMaw]

^ Kirk was shown getting the chair to the Enterprise-B, and opting to give it back to its true owner, while he essentially saved the day in a more hands-on way. He didn't necessarily need to do that again with the D, barking orders to Worf or Riker. I've always seen a parallel with "Arena" and Generations myself. With Kirk ending up fighting some misunderstood bad guy, out in some planetary desert, among the rocks and boulders. He definitely couldn't do fistfights in over a hundred degree heat now, at his age. So you're left with a more supervisory role, remaining seated on the bridge and commanding others running around him.

One of the biggest disappointments for me was the balls-out false advertising of the Generations trailer. They really made it look like Kirk was going to be interacting with the TNG crew. CURSE YOU EDITORRRRSSS!

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUieGh1fHSI[/yt]

 

[EnriqueH]

^ Kirk was shown getting the chair to the Enterprise-B, and opting to give it back to its true owner, while he essentially saved the day in a more hands-on way. He didn't necessarily need to do that again with the D, barking orders to Worf or Riker. I've always seen a parallel with "Arena" and Generations myself. With Kirk ending up fighting some misunderstood bad guy, out in some planetary desert, among the rocks and boulders. He definitely couldn't do fistfights in over a hundred degree heat now, at his age. So you're left with a more supervisory role, remaining seated on the bridge and commanding others running around him.

One of the biggest disappointments for me was the balls-out false advertising of the Generations trailer. They really made it look like Kirk was going to be interacting with the TNG crew. CURSE YOU EDITORRRRSSS!

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUieGh1fHSI[/yt]

Blast from the past, I remember my friends and I saying EXACTLY that.

We saw a trailer that showed the Enterprise-D getting torpedoed, and the TNG crew AND Kirk being thrown around.

I always felt that Kirk's first death was the best way for the character to go, saving the ship...EXCEPT...

I would've found a way to have Kirk tell Picard...NOT Harriman...

"Your place is on the bridge of your ship..."

And have the Enterprise-D's turbolift doors close in front of Kirk's face.

THAT would've been my ideal Kirk death.

 

[fireproof78]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

When its THE WORST "death" scene in Star Trek history, then yes!

Not even close. Not a little bit. I've watched a half dozen redshirts look constipated in their death throes and Tasha Yar with the "red splotch of death".

It looked, on an emotional level, one of the most realistic death scenes in the franchise.

I find myself agreeing with BillJ a lot, but this one is well worth repeating. Kirk's death in ID was one of the realistic death scenes of a main character in Trek.

If Shatner and Nimoy comes back, please do not kill them. That will overshadow the new cast and not allow them to become a cohesive unit.

Seriously, no death.

 

[Set Harth]

With strange aeons even death may become obsolete, especially if there's magic Khan blood at hand.

 

[Amaris]

With strange aeons even death may become obsolete, especially if there's magic Khan blood at hand.

Or age reversing transporters, or serums that remove the ravages of time, Borg nanoprobes that repair life ending damage, or any of the other magical formulations Star Trek has created over the years.

 

[BillJ]

With strange aeons even death may become obsolete, especially if there's magic Khan blood at hand.

Or age reversing transporters, or serums that remove the ravages of time, Borg nanoprobes that repair life ending damage, or any of the other magical formulations Star Trek has created over the years.

This. Star Trek made death obsolete long before Star Trek Into Darkness.

 

[Commishsleer]

With strange aeons even death may become obsolete, especially if there's magic Khan blood at hand.

Or age reversing transporters, or serums that remove the ravages of time, Borg nanoprobes that repair life ending damage, or any of the other magical formulations Star Trek has created over the years.

This. Star Trek made death obsolete long before Star Trek Into Darkness.

And all of those were quickly forgotten too. Couldn't be used from one episode to the next.
Perhaps they'll technobabble the blood has to be fresh or something to work.

 

[BillJ]

Perhaps they'll technobabble the blood has to be fresh or something to work.

I'm betting they'll simply ignore it altogether. Especially, if the movie takes place during the five-year mission and the Enterprise is far from Earth.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Maybe Spock's Brain had already happened, they had the intelligence enhancing machine that Bones then used to create the serum from the blood, and then it broke. (cue "Tribbles" trombone sounds)

Or, here's a thought, it didn't cure death, just massive internal hemorrhaging and radiation poisoning.

SPOILER: Kirk is now Wolverine!