Jenna is Going

[Sindatur]

There's no indication that he disliked Tegan to a significant degree. She did get on his nerves sometimes (like all his companions - Five had Three's irascibility but a gentler disposition). He was sad when she left.

Oh, sure, he was sad to see her go, but, he did very visibly have to control himself more than once. And she was much better after she returned, and travelling with him was more her choice, rather than her being his "captive".

This isn't a slam on Tegan by any means, I actually liked her a lot, precisely because she was so abrasive. It was a great dynamic, IMHO

But, if there was ever a Companion he would have gladly taken home, if he had the ability to, she is definitely it.

 

[DWF]

There's no indication that he disliked Tegan to a significant degree. She did get on his nerves sometimes (like all his companions - Five had Three's irascibility but a gentler disposition). He was sad when she left.

Oh, sure, he was sad to see her go, but, he did very visibly have to control himself more than once. And she was much better after she returned, and travelling with him was more her choice, rather than her being his "captive".

This isn't a slam on Tegan by any means, I actually liked her a lot, precisely because she was so abrasive. It was a great dynamic, IMHO

But, if there was ever a Companion he would have gladly taken home, if he had the ability to, she is definitely it.

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

 

[Christopher]

I just don't buy that the Fifth Doctor would've deliberately lied to Tegan about his ability to get her home. Whether she got on his nerves or not, he wasn't a devious or manipulative personality like some of his predecessors or successors.

And then there's Sarah Jane's departure, when the Doctor had to leave her behind in response to the Time Lord summons, and mistakenly left her in Aberdeen (as we eventually learned) rather than South Croydon. He and Sarah were extremely close friends and partners, and it clearly hurt him to leave her behind. He wouldn't have compounded the difficulty of their farewell by deliberately dropping her in the wrong city.

 

[Sindatur]

There's no indication that he disliked Tegan to a significant degree. She did get on his nerves sometimes (like all his companions - Five had Three's irascibility but a gentler disposition). He was sad when she left.

Oh, sure, he was sad to see her go, but, he did very visibly have to control himself more than once. And she was much better after she returned, and travelling with him was more her choice, rather than her being his "captive".

This isn't a slam on Tegan by any means, I actually liked her a lot, precisely because she was so abrasive. It was a great dynamic, IMHO

But, if there was ever a Companion he would have gladly taken home, if he had the ability to, she is definitely it.

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

That's actually incorrect. The end of Time Flight was his first opportunity to dump her off and he did.

After that, it was her choice to travel with him, when she joined back up in Arc of Infinity, and she was no longer whining constantly about wanting to go home. She did decide it was all too much for her at the end of Resurrection of the Daleks, and she said it was time for her to go, but, that was the first time she mentioned it since she joined back up

 

[OmahaStar]

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

Of course it's not canon. Because there is no such thing as Doctor Who canon, as you're well aware. If you mean continuity, however ... As of "Night of the Doctor," Big Finish audios are now firmly in continuity with the tv series.

 

[DWF]

Oh, sure, he was sad to see her go, but, he did very visibly have to control himself more than once. And she was much better after she returned, and travelling with him was more her choice, rather than her being his "captive".

This isn't a slam on Tegan by any means, I actually liked her a lot, precisely because she was so abrasive. It was a great dynamic, IMHO

But, if there was ever a Companion he would have gladly taken home, if he had the ability to, she is definitely it.

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

That's actually incorrect. The end of Time Flight was his first opportunity to dump her off and he did.

After that, it was her choice to travel with him, when she joined back up in Arc of Infinity, and she was no longer whining constantly about wanting to go home. She did decide it was all too much for her at the end of Resurrection of the Daleks, and she said it was time for her to go, but, that was the first time she mentioned it since she joined back up

He didn't dump Tegan at the end of Time-Flight, he merely rushed off because the TARDIS was still connected to the Master's TARDIS and didn't to set the Master loose on earth. She didn't whine about going home, she was late for her first day on her new job and wanted to get to Heathrow not home. She said of her leaving that it was no longer fun and that's why she left.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ No, the Master had already been dispatched by then. He rushed off because the authorities were coming and Tegan hadn't yet returned to the TARDIS. However, had he wanted to, he could've waited inside the TARDIS for Tegan rather than dematerializing because the authorities could not get in.

Mr Awe

 

[DWF]

^^My fault that's right but the Doctor did notice Tegan was missing.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ I don't think he was trying to get rid of her actually.

I do think the Doctor did learn how to repair and fly the TARDIS over the course of the original series. Factor in that he also had to figure out how one person could fly it when it was meant for 6.

Mr Awe

 

[DWF]

Well both Romana and River seemed to be able to solo pilot the TARDIS, the Master and Rani also appeared to be full control over their various TARDISes. Anyway I rather liked it when the Doctor couldn't control the TARDIS.

Getting back to Jenna though.

Moffat told Doctor Who Magazine: “One of the difficulties with her ‘impossible girl’ story was that she wasn’t actually a participant in it, because she didn’t actually know about the mystery … Certainly she came to life immediately as a character and as a performance with Peter [Capaldi]’s Doctor … suddenly there was a different chemistry.”

He commented: “Peter and Jenna absolutely belong together in Doctor Who. To be absolutely honest, there’s also the problem of … you look at Matt Smith in a bow tie and you’re looking for Karen Gillan. You just are. So it was tough for Jenna.”

The writer explained: “Do you remember back in the day … Sarah Jane Smith seemed like a rather dull replacement for Jo Grant, til Tom Baker’s Doctor came along? Sarah Jane was quite boring for that first year, then Tom Baker came along and – fazoom – she was brilliant.”

Moffat added: “Clara has her own Doctor now, and she becomes the main character – which of course the companion always should be, really…

 

[Timewalker]

Her departure may be more like Tegan's, who just saw too much death and destruction.

It was especially hard for Tegan because some of those deaths were people she was friends with, not to mention what the Master did to her Auntie Vanessa. She witnessed Adric's death, plus the deaths of some of the people she'd become friends with. And although Nyssa didn't die, she did leave to go to a run-down hospital ship that had the same reputation a leper colony has.

Well, maybe there's another companion that has the same kind of intermittent relationship with the Doctor that Clara does -- living in their own home (maybe in a different era) and occasionally getting picked up by the Doctor for an adventure. Heck, he could have a whole slew of part-time companions who never meet. Although I have to wonder why he'd keep them from each other.

I kind of miss the days when the Doctor couldn't steer the TARDIS and going off with him meant you probably wouldn't see your home again for months or years, subjectively. The modern come-and-go approach sort of cheapens things. Being a companion should be something that sweeps you away and totally changes your life, not just an occasional break in a quotidian routine. I was hoping that Twelve's "Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?" upon his debut was a sign that we'd be going back to those days, but no such luck.

If the Doctor is "two-timing" his companions, it's probably for at least two reasons: First, because sometimes they don't get along (ie. Tegan and Turlough), and second, one pregnancy in the TARDIS was quite enough!

I agree; traveling with the Doctor should be an amazing once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, not something that annoys you because you're having a painfully awkward first date you just have to get back to.

They drag you to the academy kicking and screaming at the age of 8.

After being bogwashed in the untempered schism, I have no idea why Susan screamed so much during her adventures with Grandfather.

However, maybe she was always screaming and just managed to suppress it most of the time that her consistent screaming was kept inside?

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

It makes sense, though. Susan was younger than Romana, who was 140 in her first story. Susan could easily have been a few decades younger than Romana, yet older than Ian + Barbara.

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

He didn't leave Mel; Mel left him.

I just don't buy that the Fifth Doctor would've deliberately lied to Tegan about his ability to get her home. Whether she got on his nerves or not, he wasn't a devious or manipulative personality like some of his predecessors or successors.

And then there's Sarah Jane's departure, when the Doctor had to leave her behind in response to the Time Lord summons, and mistakenly left her in Aberdeen (as we eventually learned) rather than South Croydon. He and Sarah were extremely close friends and partners, and it clearly hurt him to leave her behind. He wouldn't have compounded the difficulty of their farewell by deliberately dropping her in the wrong city.

I know Sarah Jane was left behind because the actress was leaving, but later on there weren't any problems with taking Leela and Nyssa to Gallifrey. Sarah was cheated!

Oh, sure, he was sad to see her go, but, he did very visibly have to control himself more than once. And she was much better after she returned, and travelling with him was more her choice, rather than her being his "captive".

This isn't a slam on Tegan by any means, I actually liked her a lot, precisely because she was so abrasive. It was a great dynamic, IMHO

But, if there was ever a Companion he would have gladly taken home, if he had the ability to, she is definitely it.

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

That's actually incorrect. The end of Time Flight was his first opportunity to dump her off and he did.

Strictly speaking, that's incorrect. Black Orchid took place in the 20th century. More than 50 years too early for Tegan, but still in the right century!

 

[Sindatur]

Her departure may be more like Tegan's, who just saw too much death and destruction.

It was especially hard for Tegan because some of those deaths were people she was friends with, not to mention what the Master did to her Auntie Vanessa. She witnessed Adric's death, plus the deaths of some of the people she'd become friends with. And although Nyssa didn't die, she did leave to go to a run-down hospital ship that had the same reputation a leper colony has.

Well, maybe there's another companion that has the same kind of intermittent relationship with the Doctor that Clara does -- living in their own home (maybe in a different era) and occasionally getting picked up by the Doctor for an adventure. Heck, he could have a whole slew of part-time companions who never meet. Although I have to wonder why he'd keep them from each other.

I kind of miss the days when the Doctor couldn't steer the TARDIS and going off with him meant you probably wouldn't see your home again for months or years, subjectively. The modern come-and-go approach sort of cheapens things. Being a companion should be something that sweeps you away and totally changes your life, not just an occasional break in a quotidian routine. I was hoping that Twelve's "Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?" upon his debut was a sign that we'd be going back to those days, but no such luck.

If the Doctor is "two-timing" his companions, it's probably for at least two reasons: First, because sometimes they don't get along (ie. Tegan and Turlough), and second, one pregnancy in the TARDIS was quite enough!

I agree; traveling with the Doctor should be an amazing once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, not something that annoys you because you're having a painfully awkward first date you just have to get back to.


It makes sense, though. Susan was younger than Romana, who was 140 in her first story. Susan could easily have been a few decades younger than Romana, yet older than Ian + Barbara.


He didn't leave Mel; Mel left him.


I know Sarah Jane was left behind because the actress was leaving, but later on there weren't any problems with taking Leela and Nyssa to Gallifrey. Sarah was cheated!

Companions normally leave on their own and the fifth Doctor was in 20th century England several times, if she had wanted to leave before she finally did she could've. I don't think the Doctor had any real problems with Tegan, but it was Mel he left on Iceworld with Glitz if that shows you how he felt about her.

That's actually incorrect. The end of Time Flight was his first opportunity to dump her off and he did.

Strictly speaking, that's incorrect. Black Orchid took place in the 20th century. More than 50 years too early for Tegan, but still in the right century!

And she's supposed to show up for the Stewardess Job at 80+ years old?

Getting her home wasn't just about the same Century, or even the same month or week, it was about getting her home in time to report for duty as an Air Stewardess at a specified appointment.

 

[OmahaStar]

And although Nyssa didn't die, she did leave to go to a run-down hospital ship that had the same reputation a leper colony has.

True. But then, not very long afterwards, she and the Doctor met up with a much older Nyssa - one who had finished her work on Terminus, had met, and had children - but was still working as a medical researcher, finding cures for various diseases. That much older Nyssa decided to travel with Tegan and the Doctor again in the hopes of finding more cures out there. The older Nyssa also held a secret. She had been linked with Five when he regenerated into Six, so she knew his days were numbered. Everybody has secrets, makes for an interesting Tardis.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Their reunion was fantastic...

"Doctor, Tegan, I haven't seen the both of you in 50 years, but you look the same, you look exactly the same... You haven't even changed your clothes... Exactly how long has it been since you last saw me?"

"About 4 hours."

 

[Worf2DS9]

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

Of course it's not canon. Because there is no such thing as Doctor Who canon, as you're well aware. If you mean continuity, however ... As of "Night of the Doctor," Big Finish audios are now firmly in continuity with the tv series.

Is it really all of Big Finish's DW stories? I just assumed that it was just the 8th Doctor's adventures that had been added to continuity, since the episode was all about the 8th Doctor.

 

[Sindatur]

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

Of course it's not canon. Because there is no such thing as Doctor Who canon, as you're well aware. If you mean continuity, however ... As of "Night of the Doctor," Big Finish audios are now firmly in continuity with the tv series.

Is it really all of Big Finish's DW stories? I just assumed that it was just the 8th Doctor's adventures that had been added to continuity, since the episode was all about the 8th Doctor.

Eh, I'd like to think it's all of it, unless an Audio story conflicts. Gallifrey Adventures has alot of great stuff that I consider in my "Head Continuity", especially the explanation for Romana I/Romana II Regeneration and the twist at the very end of Series 6 of the Gallifrey Adventures Audios. As well as all the cool developments in Gallifrey Adventures for the Inquisitor from Colin Baker's Trial of a Timelord. Plus I adore Six's Audio Companion Evelyn Smythe

 

[OmahaStar]

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

Of course it's not canon. Because there is no such thing as Doctor Who canon, as you're well aware. If you mean continuity, however ... As of "Night of the Doctor," Big Finish audios are now firmly in continuity with the tv series.

Is it really all of Big Finish's DW stories? I just assumed that it was just the 8th Doctor's adventures that had been added to continuity, since the episode was all about the 8th Doctor.

Is there any reason to think it wouldn't include the rest of them?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Moffat told Doctor Who Magazine: "One of the difficulties with her 'impossible girl' story was that she wasn't actually a participant in it, because she didn't actually know about the mystery … Certainly she came to life immediately as a character and as a performance with Peter [Capaldi]’s Doctor … suddenly there was a different chemistry."

He commented: "Peter and Jenna absolutely belong together in Doctor Who. To be absolutely honest, there's also the problem of … you look at Matt Smith in a bow tie and you're looking for Karen Gillan. You just are. So it was tough for Jenna"

The writer explained: "Do you remember back in the day … Sarah Jane Smith seemed like a rather dull replacement for Jo Grant, til Tom Baker's Doctor came along? Sarah Jane was quite boring for that first year, then Tom Baker came along and – fazoom – she was brilliant."

Moffat added: "Clara has her own Doctor now, and she becomes the main character – which of course the companion always should be, really…

*facepalm*

What is this nonsense from Moffat? "Sarah Jane was quite boring for that first year"? She was anything but.

Moffat seems to be blaming the failure of Clara as a character in series seven on Matt Smith because he had such a rapport with Karen Gillan. (I think Matt and Jenna's chemistry was so strong that I'm absolutely convinced the Doctor and Clara were doing it. Their first scene together in "Day of the Doctor" plays that way.) If Clara failed in series seven -- and she did, because she was a plot point and not a character -- the problem is the writing, not the acting. There are actors who despise working with each other, and yet they make it work because 1) they're professionals and 2) they have good material to work with.

And the companion is "the main character"? Bull fucking shit. Co-lead, maybe. But the main character? No. Just no.

If that's what Moffat thinks about Doctor Who, he needs to go because he simply doesn't understand it any more.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Of course it's not canon. Because there is no such thing as Doctor Who canon, as you're well aware. If you mean continuity, however ... As of "Night of the Doctor," Big Finish audios are now firmly in continuity with the tv series.

Is it really all of Big Finish's DW stories? I just assumed that it was just the 8th Doctor's adventures that had been added to continuity, since the episode was all about the 8th Doctor.

Is there any reason to think it wouldn't include the rest of them?

It's a nice nod to the fans and writers of the Big Finish material but I think it's stretching it to say that those stories 'are firmly in continuity' with the series. The writers of the TV show will doubtless retain the right to pick and choose what elements of offscreen stories they can disregard or adhere to and will not be bound by the fact that Eight mentioned a few names.

Of course, until anything is said or done onscreen to contradict those stories, there's nothing to prevent anyone from inserting them in their own 'personal continuity' of DW.

 

[StCoop]

Is there any reason to think it wouldn't include the rest of them?

For the most past you could pick up their work and drop it in without problems, which you couldn't say for the books or comics.

There are tricky areas though. Their first Doctor stories are often set in gaps between stories that don't actually exist. And according to BF years pass for Peri between POF and COA, which is obviously nonsense.