Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
It still seems a bit odd to me that they're making novels canon, since I can't think of any other instance when such a thing has been the case. But it does make me much more interested in reading them, which is probably the effect they were hoping for.
I just hope a lot of the new stuff they come up with is actually pretty good, and we don't have another New 52 situation where they replace all the old continuity with stuff that really isn't all that much better or different. And it just ends up being change for the sake of change.
It still seems a bit odd to me that they're making novels canon, since I can't think of any other instance when such a thing has been the case. But it does make me much more interested in reading them, which is probably the effect they were hoping for.
I just hope a lot of the new stuff they come up with is actually pretty good, and we don't have another New 52 situation where they replace all the old continuity with stuff that really isn't all that much better or different. And it just ends up being change for the sake of change.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
The novels were already canon in the old system. As long as something in a movie/tv show doesn't contradict it.
Obviously some of the 1990s material ended up being contradicted by the Prequel movies, but they generally invented fanwank explanations for that
The novels were already canon in the old system. As long as something in a movie/tv show doesn't contradict it.
Obviously some of the 1990s material ended up being contradicted by the Prequel movies, but they generally invented fanwank explanations for that
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
OK, I don't think people quite grasp the definition of "canon". If it were canon, then the movies *couldn't* contradict it, that's the whole point. What was actually the case was that there was several tiers of canon to keep the tie-in products (mostly books and comics) as internally consistent as possible. That's it. Canon means a given thing "happened". The EU on the other hand existed in a state of flux. A sort of Schrödinger's Box if you will until the movies (metaphorically speaking) looked inside and collapsed the wave function.
That's not canon, it's licensed fan fiction the the primary IP was free to cherry pick or discard from at will. Any inclusion of EU material was a *choice*, not a requirement. Thus; not canon.
OK, I don't think people quite grasp the definition of "canon". If it were canon, then the movies *couldn't* contradict it, that's the whole point. What was actually the case was that there was several tiers of canon to keep the tie-in products (mostly books and comics) as internally consistent as possible. That's it. Canon means a given thing "happened". The EU on the other hand existed in a state of flux. A sort of Schrödinger's Box if you will until the movies (metaphorically speaking) looked inside and collapsed the wave function.
That's not canon, it's licensed fan fiction the the primary IP was free to cherry pick or discard from at will. Any inclusion of EU material was a *choice*, not a requirement. Thus; not canon.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
Oh, I think a lot of fans understand the concept of what's canon - it's just that the writers of the Lucas universe sometimes can't keep their own internal details straight and consistent with one another. Of course with a little clever hand-waving and explaining (as we've seen in the Trek franchise over the decades and during the gradual on-screen evolution of that fictional universe) contradictory plot points and events can be handled so that nothing has to be ignored or outright rejected, but writing consistency plays a big part.
Which can often be difficult given how many different TV episodes and films there are to keep track of at any given moment to make sure the new script doesn't completely trample over the continuity of others.
Oh, I think a lot of fans understand the concept of what's canon - it's just that the writers of the Lucas universe sometimes can't keep their own internal details straight and consistent with one another. Of course with a little clever hand-waving and explaining (as we've seen in the Trek franchise over the decades and during the gradual on-screen evolution of that fictional universe) contradictory plot points and events can be handled so that nothing has to be ignored or outright rejected, but writing consistency plays a big part.
Which can often be difficult given how many different TV episodes and films there are to keep track of at any given moment to make sure the new script doesn't completely trample over the continuity of others.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
That my friend is what is known as a contradiction in terms.
It was canon as long as nothing contradicted it
That my friend is what is known as a contradiction in terms.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
Largely it happens with video game tie-in novels, in fact Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 outright mention events and feature characters from the novels and comics.
Largely it happens with video game tie-in novels, in fact Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 outright mention events and feature characters from the novels and comics.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
I think that, going forward, all the novels, comic books, video games, etc. will be "canon" in the sense that they are being written/developed while Star Wars movies and TV shows are actually an ongoing development for the foreseeable future, which allows them to avoid doing anything that will end up being overwritten by the movies/TV show(s). So whatever happens in them will have "officially" happened, but I don't anticipate the films making much reference to them, since the majority of the film audiences won't have any clue about them.
I think that, going forward, all the novels, comic books, video games, etc. will be "canon" in the sense that they are being written/developed while Star Wars movies and TV shows are actually an ongoing development for the foreseeable future, which allows them to avoid doing anything that will end up being overwritten by the movies/TV show(s). So whatever happens in them will have "officially" happened, but I don't anticipate the films making much reference to them, since the majority of the film audiences won't have any clue about them.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
That's ridiculous. Since a movie always has the power to contradict something, what you're saying is that books can't ever be canon just because they're not movies. But again this is random internet people acting as the self-appointed arbiters of what is or is not canon and acting as if the franchise doesn't get to decide these things for itself. Where this even more dramatically falls apart is the fact that movies have the power to contradict one another, so by that standard movies can't be canon either. In fact, nothing can possibly be canon.
And this doesn't make sense either. The issue with the canonicity of EU material is whether or not the material is contradicted by a film, not whether or not the film was "required" to include it.
That's ridiculous. Since a movie always has the power to contradict something, what you're saying is that books can't ever be canon just because they're not movies. But again this is random internet people acting as the self-appointed arbiters of what is or is not canon and acting as if the franchise doesn't get to decide these things for itself. Where this even more dramatically falls apart is the fact that movies have the power to contradict one another, so by that standard movies can't be canon either. In fact, nothing can possibly be canon.
And this doesn't make sense either. The issue with the canonicity of EU material is whether or not the material is contradicted by a film, not whether or not the film was "required" to include it.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
If any of these rumors are true, to me it puts an end of the myth that JJ Abrams is a fan of Star Wars. Because it sounds to me like he's pretty much just disregarding the ending of the original trilogy that he claims to cherish. If they're going to steal ideas from the EU, 1) why invalidate the EU, and 2) why spend money to bring in a name director/writer like JJ Abrams? If JJ has written some of this stuff, then he's a talentless hack who is only playing with the Star Wars toybox instead of developing something new.
Han wearing his ESB outfit has me thinking what I've been thinking for a while now. Why the anyone want to see Hoth again? Hoth is literally the most boring fucking planet in all of sci-fi and fantasy. It's an deserted ice cube without even a trace of civilization.
If any of these rumors are true, to me it puts an end of the myth that JJ Abrams is a fan of Star Wars. Because it sounds to me like he's pretty much just disregarding the ending of the original trilogy that he claims to cherish. If they're going to steal ideas from the EU, 1) why invalidate the EU, and 2) why spend money to bring in a name director/writer like JJ Abrams? If JJ has written some of this stuff, then he's a talentless hack who is only playing with the Star Wars toybox instead of developing something new.
Han wearing his ESB outfit has me thinking what I've been thinking for a while now. Why the anyone want to see Hoth again? Hoth is literally the most boring fucking planet in all of sci-fi and fantasy. It's an deserted ice cube without even a trace of civilization.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
I thought JJ and Kasdan were working from an outline by Lucas?
Also, Hoth is one of my favorite planets.
I thought JJ and Kasdan were working from an outline by Lucas?
Also, Hoth is one of my favorite planets.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
No, Michael Arndt was working from an outline by Lucas and when JJ was hired, he and Kasdan completely re-wrote the script. Disney allowed JJ to create a nostalgia-trip for himself instead of an original story.
Hoth worked for ESB but it's a boring and pointless planet.
I thought JJ and Kasdan were working from an outline by Lucas?
Also, Hoth is one of my favorite planets.
No, Michael Arndt was working from an outline by Lucas and when JJ was hired, he and Kasdan completely re-wrote the script. Disney allowed JJ to create a nostalgia-trip for himself instead of an original story.
Hoth worked for ESB but it's a boring and pointless planet.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
Kasdan knew what he was doing on Empire and Jedi, so until I see concrete evidence to the contrary I'm going to keep an open mind about Episode VII's script. And if they use Hoth again - big whoop. It was an interesting, isolated and atmospheric world the first time around and the Lucas universe has a longstanding habit of revisiting planets, sometimes more than once. If it serves an effective storytelling purpose and advances the plot then let them reuse Hoth.
We've seen Tatooine, Coruscant and Naboo each on multiple occasions spanning the width of the Saga. As long as the story's good it doesn't much matter to me. There's room for other never-before-seen planets during the Sequel Trilogy, and who's to say at least one of them won't feature in Episode VII?
Kasdan knew what he was doing on Empire and Jedi, so until I see concrete evidence to the contrary I'm going to keep an open mind about Episode VII's script. And if they use Hoth again - big whoop. It was an interesting, isolated and atmospheric world the first time around and the Lucas universe has a longstanding habit of revisiting planets, sometimes more than once. If it serves an effective storytelling purpose and advances the plot then let them reuse Hoth.
We've seen Tatooine, Coruscant and Naboo each on multiple occasions spanning the width of the Saga. As long as the story's good it doesn't much matter to me. There's room for other never-before-seen planets during the Sequel Trilogy, and who's to say at least one of them won't feature in Episode VII?
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
The bulk of the credit for the Empire Strikes Back script should go to George Lucas, not Lawrence Kasdan. Lucas completely re-wrote Leigh Brackett's script and only gave her screen credit as a way of honoring her and making sure her family would collect money for it. Lucas was the one who wrote the script that tells the story of The Empire Strikes Back that we saw onscreen. Lawrence Kasdan's contribution to the script was greatly improving GL's (admittedly HORRIBLE) dialogue. The only reason Lucas doesn't get credit for that is because he didn't give himself credit for the script.
Tatooine, Coruscant, and Naboo were all A) interesting worlds and B) worlds with civilizations and C) worlds with great storytelling potential. Hoth isn't any of these things and would only represent the most embarrassing and pathetic fanwanking of the original trilogy by "the true fan" JJ Abrams.
The bulk of the credit for the Empire Strikes Back script should go to George Lucas, not Lawrence Kasdan. Lucas completely re-wrote Leigh Brackett's script and only gave her screen credit as a way of honoring her and making sure her family would collect money for it. Lucas was the one who wrote the script that tells the story of The Empire Strikes Back that we saw onscreen. Lawrence Kasdan's contribution to the script was greatly improving GL's (admittedly HORRIBLE) dialogue. The only reason Lucas doesn't get credit for that is because he didn't give himself credit for the script.
Tatooine, Coruscant, and Naboo were all A) interesting worlds and B) worlds with civilizations and C) worlds with great storytelling potential. Hoth isn't any of these things and would only represent the most embarrassing and pathetic fanwanking of the original trilogy by "the true fan" JJ Abrams.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
And you know this how, exactly? Have you seen the script? How Hoth is (allegedly) used in it? Yes? Then, more spoilers, please. If not, then you'll forgive me if not take this statement all that seriously.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
There's a potentially major spoiler just hitting the website The Star Wars Underworld as we speak. Maybe some of you have already seen it (and it should be taken with an ENORMOUS, almost Death Star-sized grain of salt until confirmed or shot down by an official source), but head over to Star Wars Underworld to check it out.
If there's any truth to this, it could make Episode VII even more interesting and a whole lot more controversial. Part of me hopes it's a load of crap but another part wants to see this character again.
There's a potentially major spoiler just hitting the website The Star Wars Underworld as we speak. Maybe some of you have already seen it (and it should be taken with an ENORMOUS, almost Death Star-sized grain of salt until confirmed or shot down by an official source), but head over to Star Wars Underworld to check it out.
If there's any truth to this, it could make Episode VII even more interesting and a whole lot more controversial. Part of me hopes it's a load of crap but another part wants to see this character again.
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
I just looked. Just... no.
Perhaps Latino Review doesn't realize that FanFiction.net isn't a site where leaked scripts are posted.
I just looked. Just... no.
Perhaps Latino Review doesn't realize that FanFiction.net isn't a site where leaked scripts are posted.
