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Space: 1999 revival

If all goes well, I'll e ordering in a DVD set of the original series this payday. All this talk about the revival has got me wanting to watch it again.

I grew up watching the reruns. TOS, Space 1999, Buck Rogers, and BSG. Man Saturdays used to be fun.

NuBSG was this way. They dropped the Imperious Leader, the dropped Evil Villain Baltar and the sycophantic Lucifer, they (eventually) dropped Boxy and Muffett. In the end, NONE of the storylines from the original BSG got recycled into the new one, and even the whole Pegasus arc had a dramatically different execution from start to finish.

I think BSG stayed pretty close to the core concept of the original BSG though. I mean, you still had a ragtag fleet led by a lone Battlestar taking the last human survivors of a Cylon genocidal attack on a quest to find Earth.

If you think so.

IMO, the only things the original and the remake had in common were:

  1. "A ragtag fleet led by a lone Battlestar taking the last human survivors of a Cylon genocidal attack on a quest to find Earth";
  2. Some of the ship designs;
  3. Some of the names.
That was it.

Cheezy as the original series was, the main characters were Heroic. In the remake, it was all about making the main characers all go bugfrak nuts and/or devolve into such total dicks that one ended up rooting for the Cylons. IMO.

Ghod, I hope that they don't do that sort of c##p with Space 1999. Good solid space opera, THAT I would like.

Yeah, I gotta say by the end of BSG I was cheering for the Cylons to just finish them off. Even Commander Adama--who liked for most of the series--was on my nerves by the end.

There's dark and realism, then there's just beating the audience over the head with it. By the end I wasn't sure if the message was: Humanity finds a way or humanity sucks and needs to be wiped out of the universe.

Still, I like the show, but I can't rewatch in big chunks like I do ST or B5
 
Upthread, I ranked the first season episodes. I've just finished watching season two, for the first time all the way through since it aired, so I thought I'd post my rankings of these episodes as well.

First, a few observations about the series overall. It's a fascinating case study of missed opportunity and wasted talent. The production standards were very high, and this is true of both seasons, with respect to costumes, sets, models, effects (sure, you can see the wires, and sometimes things look exactly like models on a table top, but you have to grade effects in the context of the television medium in its place in history, and occasionally the effects are spectacular even by today's standards), music, acting (as a general statement, though sometimes acting was quite variable), and practically every element necessary for the production of a science fiction television series. Everything was at a high level, except one element, probably the singularly most important: writing. Watching it again, I feel really sad to see so much talent and obvious effort go down the tube (ha ha), because the writing was, much more often than not, banal, cliché-ridden, and a poor example of the science fiction genre.

Season two is especially saddening, because it was the opportunity to fix the problems with the first season. Instead, they only compounded them, mainly because the writing was even worse than in the first season. Every other change could have been at least survived, were it not for the writing. Some changes actually were an improvement. The outer sections of the moonbase and catacombs were revealed, and they grew bad-ass looking laser cannons. I thought Koenig's character became better defined, and in a good way, and Tony was a good, charismatic character. However, Maya was really the saving grace. Catherine Schell to my eye was and still is extraordinarily beautiful, but not only that, she's an extremely talented actress. Her character was one I felt compelled to care about, even through the stupidest, most contrived danger. Her touch in the delivery of her lines quite often compensated for the fact that they were obviously just being ripped off from Star Trek.

In the last few episodes, I felt that they were just starting to find their stride, ironically through the introduction of a couple of interesting minor characters, and also legitimate danger, intriguing premises, and interesting developments with respect to Maya. Even Derek Wadsworth's music, a jarring change to me at first in season two (I really liked Barry Gray's year one score a lot), actually grew on me as the season progressed, especially with the introduction of new themes mid-season or later, and as I found myself reminded more of season one music, e.g. in the way the timpani, a.k.a. kettledrums, were used (YMMV).

(Just as an aside, it was often very entertaining to see familiar actors from other science fiction series making guest appearances, from Doctor Who, to Star Wars films, to Star Trek series, Superman, and so forth. There really were quite a few.)

The grading scale is the same as the one I used for my season one ranking. Of course, YMMV. Because season two wasn't as good as season one, it's bottom heavy. The symbol [+] indicates that the Moon encountered an alien planet or that the Alphans flew to one by conventional means. This happened in 11 of 24 episodes, which with the season one stats dispels the myth that they visited a new planet every week (it was actually, on average, every other week, lol). The symbol [+++] indicates teleportation occurred to a remote planet, which happened twice overall, in 2. The Exiles, and in 5. Journey to Where to Earth itself.
3. One Moment of Humanity (4) [+]
21. Dorzak (4)
23. The Immunity Syndrome (4) [+]
24. The Dorcons (4)

1. The Metamorph (3) [+]
8. The Mark of Archanon (3)
15. Space Warp (3)
22. Devil's Planet (3) [+]

2. The Exiles (2) [+++]
6. The Taybor (2)
9. Brian the Brain (2) [+]
12. The AB Chrysalis (2) [+]

5. Journey to Where (1) [+++]
10. New Adam New Eve (1) [+]
19. The Lambda Factor (1)
20. The Seance Spectre (1) [+]

4. All that Glisters (0) [+]
7. The Rules of Luton (0) [+]
11. Catacombs of the Moon (0)
13. Seed of Destruction (0)
14. The Beta Cloud (0)
16. A Matter of Balance (0) [+]
17. The Bringers of Wonder Part 1 (0)
18. The Bringers of Wonder Part 2 (0)
Finally, as a further indication of the trajectory of the moon and its relativistic velocity, 18. The Bringers of Wonder Part 2 contains the lines [http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z42bow2.html]:
KOENIG: "We've been in space for months. In earth time that's generations. If they are from Earth, they'd have to be hundreds of years older than they appear."

MAYA: "That should have occurred to me."

KOENIG: "It didn't occur to you because they wouldn't let it. The reason they haven't been able to control my mind is because..I was hooked to that machine."
Despite the major flaws, I really enjoyed rewatching the series. Right now, I'm listening to the Barry Gray soundtrack, and loving it.

Cheers.
 
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If this isn't done in pretty similar style to nuBSG it's pretty much guaranteed to tank after a few weeks - and taking it seriously is obviously no guarantee that it will do well, either.
 
If this isn't done in pretty similar style to nuBSG it's pretty much guaranteed to tank after a few weeks - and taking it seriously is obviously no guarantee that it will do well, either.
Science fiction shows don't all have to be like Battlestar Galactica to succeed. I wouldn't mind seeing Space: 2099 and actually liking the characters.
 
They've already said Space: 2099 won't be dark and gritty, whatever that actually means.

I think having engaging characters who have to make choices relevant to the audience's lives is essential. nuBSG was relevant to the audience of the 00's because it played off 9/11 and War on Terror angst, so it had this property. These things are still relevant today, of course, but playing off those things in particular wouldn't be fresh.

Of course, there was more to nuBSG's style than being dark and gritty. There was also the hand-held cam aura of realism about it, and there were the down-to-Earth characters.

One of the recurring themes in Space: 1999 was soldering on despite not having a place to settle, actually something in common with BSG (though Space: 1999 came first). Koenig and the command staff had to make "hard choices," e.g. rationing life-support. That sort of thing is an opportunity for drama, but we've also kind of been there and done that, too.
 
I got the Blu-Ray of season one for Christmas; I've managed to slog through the first seven episodes so far. While there are things I like about it (the visual effects, the music) it has a lot of the same problems as Stargate: Universe, which was a very similar show (I'm sure some '99 fans would say it was a rip-off): incredibly slow, shallow metaphysics, mostly mediocre cast, and pointless conflict. So far the only episode I've really liked was "Earthbound," and it still wasn't a great hour of television.

It has a good concept (once you cast aside the awful science, which the original series features constantly; if Barry Morse wasn't there it would be impossible to take any of it seriously), and I think it will lend itself well to a remake if this project actually goes forward. It doesn't need to be as dark as Batttlestar Galactica, but if it adopts the tone of, say, Star Trek: Voyager I don't think it will last long.
 
Yeah, you get the idea, then. Dragon's Domain is probably the only "essential" episode you haven't seen, although I think Voyager's Return is relatively cool, too.
 
I figure I'll finish out the first season, though at what pace, who can say? The series always looks great, even if I'm not crazy about the 70s aesthetic that permeates much of the live action footage, especially the costume design.
 
Indeed, although what really drives me crazy are the kitschy alien designs that have popped up, like the silly get-up Peter Cushing was forced to wear in an episode.
 
What is kind of funny is that back in the mid 1970s when Space:1999 was made it probably seemed pretty reasonable that we'd have a permanent base on the moon by 1999.
 
What is kind of funny is that back in the mid 1970s when Space:1999 was made it probably seemed pretty reasonable that we'd have a permanent base on the moon by 1999.

Not the size of Moonbase Alpha (or the base in 2001 either); but yes, people probably thought we'd have something manned and on the moon by 1999.
 
Also, the sophistication of Moonbase Alpha was more or less on par with that of the Clavius Base depicted less than a decade earlier in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I remembered that the construction of Alpha also needs to be considered in light of the fact that the show Space: 1999 was an offshoot of the attempt to develop a second season of the show UFO, originally called UFO: 1999. The Moonbase in UFO, in the "future" of the 1980's, at least the above-ground section, is much less ambitious, and therefore more realistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999#Conception_and_development discusses the early development of Space: 1999, and the cause of the Moon leaving Earth orbit, as originally conceived, an action by the aliens in the war between humans and aliens in the evolved UFO chronology.
 
If this isn't done in pretty similar style to nuBSG it's pretty much guaranteed to tank after a few weeks - and taking it seriously is obviously no guarantee that it will do well, either.
Science fiction shows don't all have to be like Battlestar Galactica to succeed.

If you're going to blow the Moon out of orbit and maroon all of those people for (likely) the rest of their lives? Well, you can do that with a certain degree of dramatic weight - it's a pretty grim premise - and have some chance of doing something worthwhile. Or, you can try to "recapture" the so-called "spirit of the original," produce an expensive cornball project and bomb.

Or do what Burton's evidently doing with Dark Shadows, of course, and just go for all-out comedy. Space: 1999 has more of a Will Ferrell vibe to it, though.
 
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