Would it really? Tidal forces would be in flux for a few days but eventually it would calm down, and tides would be a thing of the past.
What else would happen?
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Would it really? Tidal forces would be in flux for a few days but eventually it would calm down, and tides would be a thing of the past.
What else would happen?
I sometime wondered if they were forced to turn down the heat, seems like they all started wearing jackets.
More like decades, or centuries.
A geological equilibrium would eventually return, but not in"days."
There would still be tides due to the Sun, whose influence is about 46% that of the Moon (tidal force varies as 1/r**³ rather than 1/r²). Various animal species might go extinct due to their mating cycles being tied (sic) to the Moon. A more serious problem in the long term might be that the stabilisation effect of the Moon on the Earth's axis of rotation would have been removed.
Hah, my thread has buried that imposter! Good work, minions!
The absence of the Moon would destroy the regularity of the seasons, on which agriculture is based, resulting is mass starvation. Humanity could adapt to a new Earth without regular seasons, but only after most of them starve.
The absence of the Moon would destroy the regularity of the seasons, on which agriculture is based, resulting is mass starvation. Humanity could adapt to a new Earth without regular seasons, but only after most of them starve.
They need to cast Newt Gingrich as President of the Moon and Calista as the First Lady.
The seasons are determined by the tilt of the Earth's axis with respect to the Sun (aka the obliquity). I guess the loss of the Moon's influence would lead to lack of long-term stability of this value but, judging by the examples of Venus and Mars, which have no large natural satellites, I doubt that changes to the axial tilt would be vary chaotic over periods of less than many hundreds of thousands to many millions of years.
From what pre-production stills I've seen, I think the colors were going to be a bit muted compared to their 60s counterparts, but I could be wrong.
Guess that you never watched the "Battlestar Galactica" remake.
(Or your idea of "recent" is pretty darn short term!")
Don't you guys remember the news broadcast at the end of "Breakaway"?
I doubt major earthquakes would be triggered by escape alone given that the tidal bulge in the solid Earth due to the Moon is only of the order of 3cm in amplitude. The Moon passing close by the Earth during its escape might do the trick. It would probably be torn apart if it passed within the Roche limit - from 9 to 18 thousand km depending on its composition.
When they bought BSG back, I pondered my own personal ideas for what I thought a “Space:1999” (or “Space:2099” – or even “Space 2199”) remake/reboot could be like.
Travel, I went with the wormhole idea too…I had the idea of a large super-conductor being built, as a follow-up to the LHC, encircling the Moon’s equator. (Either that, or one *found* by an extinct intelligence kinda similar to the novels “The Stolen Earth” and “The Shattered Sphere”.
Once activated, it would create a wormhole that would swallow the Moon – and either it couldn’t be targeted back to Earth (yet – as they didn’t know how) – so they kept trying…or more likely I’d have it going off a particular intervals (ala’ Destiny’s jumps in SG:U)…and so they’d only have limited time in Each place. (And/or maybe if the wormhole device was alien – they go following a path of a *lost*, long dead civilization, looking for clues on how to plot a course back home. (Maybe they even find a wormhole network - an "intergalactic subway system" - and must now try to find the route *map*!)
Later on they gain a little more targeting and timing control over it – and I’d plan a series finale where they DO make it home again finally – not just to see their families – but to help rebuild the Earth after the devastation of it losing the Moon.
Nor would I have just one isolate Moonbase – not by 2099. Alpha would be a joint US, Russian, ESA and Japanese base…but there would also be a competing *Chinese* base (with a female commander) and both would be (secretly or not) armed with nukes – after all, the Moon is the ultimate “high ground”!) They both would be VERY distrustful of each other – perhaps blaming each other for sabotaging the wormhole device. And over time realize that they will have to learn to work together – or not make it.
And not only would I have government bases – but there would be civilian water and helium-3 miners – competing individual “wildcatter” miners and competing multinational mega-corp miners.
As well as a tourist resort of two for the ultra-rich. (Constantly demanding that they be taken home asap – and chafing under the military’s taking partial control of the Moon and their activities for their own safety.
I’d also have the superconductor scientists and/or archeologists. As well as an either manned or automated – or partially-manned Lunar farside radio-telescope array. And a water mine at the Lunar South Pole craters.
And maybe they very first small groups of settlers – some of whom would be radical religious and/or political in nature (like uber-Libertarians hoping to get away from Earth government.)
I’d limit the aliens to either very few – or only remains of dead civilizations. (Maybe the only living one’s would be machine-based descendants of former biological life.) And any living aliens wouldn’t be encountered in person until season 2 – if there was one.
The Eagles I’d keep almost exactly the same – with minimal redesign – they are just too iconic, AND *look* like they’d work on the Moon (just as nuBSG basically kept the oldBSG Viper design – only made them a bit sleeker and less boxier.) They only thing I’d change was adding curved black windows over the indented black cockpit areas – kinda like they show in the posters, but mine would conform to the hull shape, and be the same outline of the original indented areas – and curve to the hull (so that from a distance, you couldn’t tell any difference from the old Eagles. These windows would be HUDS, and not only have the effect of making the cockpit cabins bigger – but giving the pilots a much more expanded (almost 360) view around them. The pilots would sit kinda suspended between the upper and lower windows – perhaps in chairs that moved forward and then “hung” between the windows. (I wish I could draw or photoshop this idea - any volunteers.)
Also, I’d add a second type of intra-atmospheric SSTO shuttle (that could use a planet air and water to automatically self-refuel) – since I never bought the bulky Eagles being able to land on high-gravity Earth-like worlds – just Moon like bodies and asteroids and such.
And the Moonbase wouldn’t be ALL super high-tech – much of the newer sections would be modular – self-assemble type habitats bought from Earth and pieced together on the Moon. But there would also be pressurized Lunar caves…older “tin can” type launched whole from Earth….and buldings and habitats built out of “Lunarcret” – and that idea of using sandbags stuffed with Moon dust. Moonbase Alpha (or whatever it’s new name might be) would be a “kludge” built up over several decades using multiple technologies. (The FIRST Moonbase crew would have had it hard – living in tiny little tin cans and self-made habitats.) But the Lunar caves and water mins would offer a refuge from Solar storms (in any systems they passed through) – and maybe even cosmic rays (people being required sleep in them and/or spend part of their days there. (And any pregnancies planned on being carried to term – it would be STRONGLY recommended (maybe even an *order*) that the mother-to-be spend all or almost all of her time pregnant in cave and shelters – for the safety of the child (to avoid mutations and stillbirths and such.)
And I’d like to toy with the idea of the Moon having a mass-driver or two…and perhaps an experimental space elevator…and maybe even an orbiting manned station – in addition to multiple unmanned Lunar sats of all kinds – including a Lunar GPS-type system. (LPS…?)
Anyway, just my 2 cents….sure that the series creators have other ideas.
Travel, I went with the wormhole idea too…I had the idea of a large super-conductor being built, as a follow-up to the LHC, encircling the Moon’s equator. (Either that, or one *found* by an extinct intelligence kinda similar to the novels “The Stolen Earth” and “The Shattered Sphere”.
Once activated, it would create a wormhole that would swallow the Moon – and either it couldn’t be targeted back to Earth (yet – as they didn’t know how) – so they kept trying…or more likely I’d have it going off a particular intervals (ala’ Destiny’s jumps in SG:U)…and so they’d only have limited time in Each place. (And/or maybe if the wormhole device was alien – they go following a path of a *lost*, long dead civilization, looking for clues on how to plot a course back home. (Maybe they even find a wormhole network - an "intergalactic subway system" - and must now try to find the route *map*!)
Later on they gain a little more targeting and timing control over it – and I’d plan a series finale where they DO make it home again finally – not just to see their families – but to help rebuild the Earth after the devastation of it losing the Moon.
Nor would I have just one isolate Moonbase – not by 2099. Alpha would be a joint US, Russian, ESA and Japanese base…but there would also be a competing *Chinese* base (with a female commander) and both would be (secretly or not) armed with nukes – after all, the Moon is the ultimate “high ground”!) They both would be VERY distrustful of each other – perhaps blaming each other for sabotaging the wormhole device. And over time realize that they will have to learn to work together – or not make it.
And not only would I have government bases – but there would be civilian water and helium-3 miners – competing individual “wildcatter” miners and competing multinational mega-corp miners.
As well as a tourist resort of two for the ultra-rich. (Constantly demanding that they be taken home asap – and chafing under the military’s taking partial control of the Moon and their activities for their own safety.
I’d also have the superconductor scientists and/or archeologists. As well as an either manned or automated – or partially-manned Lunar farside radio-telescope array. And a water mine at the Lunar South Pole craters.
And maybe they very first small groups of settlers – some of whom would be radical religious and/or political in nature (like uber-Libertarians hoping to get away from Earth government.)
I’d limit the aliens to either very few – or only remains of dead civilizations. (Maybe the only living one’s would be machine-based descendants of former biological life.) And any living aliens wouldn’t be encountered in person until season 2 – if there was one.
The Eagles I’d keep almost exactly the same – with minimal redesign – they are just too iconic, AND *look* like they’d work on the Moon (just as nuBSG basically kept the oldBSG Viper design – only made them a bit sleeker and less boxier.) They only thing I’d change was adding curved black windows over the indented black cockpit areas – kinda like they show in the posters, but mine would conform to the hull shape, and be the same outline of the original indented areas – and curve to the hull (so that from a distance, you couldn’t tell any difference from the old Eagles. These windows would be HUDS, and not only have the effect of making the cockpit cabins bigger – but giving the pilots a much more expanded (almost 360) view around them. The pilots would sit kinda suspended between the upper and lower windows – perhaps in chairs that moved forward and then “hung” between the windows. (I wish I could draw or photoshop this idea - any volunteers.)
Also, I’d add a second type of intra-atmospheric SSTO shuttle (that could use a planet air and water to automatically self-refuel) – since I never bought the bulky Eagles being able to land on high-gravity Earth-like worlds – just Moon like bodies and asteroids and such.
And the Moonbase wouldn’t be ALL super high-tech – much of the newer sections would be modular – self-assemble type habitats bought from Earth and pieced together on the Moon. But there would also be pressurized Lunar caves…older “tin can” type launched whole from Earth….and buldings and habitats built out of “Lunarcret” – and that idea of using sandbags stuffed with Moon dust. Moonbase Alpha (or whatever it’s new name might be) would be a “kludge” built up over several decades using multiple technologies. (The FIRST Moonbase crew would have had it hard – living in tiny little tin cans and self-made habitats.) But the Lunar caves and water mins would offer a refuge from Solar storms (in any systems they passed through) – and maybe even cosmic rays (people being required sleep in them and/or spend part of their days there. (And any pregnancies planned on being carried to term – it would be STRONGLY recommended (maybe even an *order*) that the mother-to-be spend all or almost all of her time pregnant in cave and shelters – for the safety of the child (to avoid mutations and stillbirths and such.)
And I’d like to toy with the idea of the Moon having a mass-driver or two…and perhaps an experimental space elevator…and maybe even an orbiting manned station – in addition to multiple unmanned Lunar sats of all kinds – including a Lunar GPS-type system. (LPS…?)
Anyway, just my 2 cents….sure that the series creators have other ideas.
The Catacombs has put up a Space: 2099 page at http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/epguide/tx2099.html. It has goodies such as image analysis, including isolation of the moonbase shape in the logo lettering. There are also links at the bottom, including many already posted here. I'll bet it will stay updated regularly.
Why Space: 2099 Won’t Be a "Dark and Gritty" Reboot of Space: 1999
there are 2 posters at the link.
Why Space: 2099 Won’t Be a "Dark and Gritty" Reboot of Space: 1999
http://io9.com/5884500/why-space-2099-wont-be-a-dark-and-gritty-reboot-of-space-1999
and a website with more ongoing info:
http://space2099theseries.com/content/
there are 2 posters at the link.
Why Space: 2099 Won’t Be a "Dark and Gritty" Reboot of Space: 1999
http://io9.com/5884500/why-space-2099-wont-be-a-dark-and-gritty-reboot-of-space-1999
and a website with more ongoing info:
http://space2099theseries.com/content/
I just rewatched the first season, because of this thread, something I haven't done in years. I thought I'd post my ratings for the 24 season one episodes, subjective of course and YMMV as always. The Catacombs has ratings at http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/ref/epcritic/vxep.html. Their episode guide is at http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/epguide/ty.html. It has a lot of resources including images and transcripts.
I've rated each episode from (0)/worst to (5)/best. Production/episode number is given. The symbol [+] indicates that there was an alien planetary system encountered (even if not landed on); this applies to only 10 of the 24 episodes. The symbol [++] by 6. Another Time, Another Place is discussed below. Excluding episodes 1 and 6, the remaining 12 episodes, half the episodes, do not visit an alien world. Rather, there are only weird phenomena, alien visits, encounters with alien probes, ships, or artifacts, etc. I think it's also interesting that the better episodes tend not to visit alien planets.
Finally, as I think has also been mentioned upthread, it seems canonically established in season two's Journey to Where that the Earth does survive, but it's not in very good shape. That episode also supports the idea that the moon is supposed to be traveling at relativistic speeds. From http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z28jtw.html:
I've rated each episode from (0)/worst to (5)/best. Production/episode number is given. The symbol [+] indicates that there was an alien planetary system encountered (even if not landed on); this applies to only 10 of the 24 episodes. The symbol [++] by 6. Another Time, Another Place is discussed below. Excluding episodes 1 and 6, the remaining 12 episodes, half the episodes, do not visit an alien world. Rather, there are only weird phenomena, alien visits, encounters with alien probes, ships, or artifacts, etc. I think it's also interesting that the better episodes tend not to visit alien planets.
5. Earthbound (5)
6. Another Time, Another Place (5) [++]
12. Voyager's Return (5)
23. Dragon's Domain (5)
17. War Games (4) [+]
19. The Troubled Spirit (4)
21. The Infernal Machine (4)
22. Mission of the Darians (4)
1. Breakaway (3)
3. Black Sun (3)
14. Death's Other Dominion (3) [+]
16. End of Eternity (3)
2. Matter of Life and Death (2) [+]
11. The Last Sunset (2) [+]
18. The Last Enemy (2) [+]
20. Space Brain (2)
7. Missing Link (1) [+]
8. Guardian of Piri (1) [+]
9. Force of Life (1)
24. The Testament of Arkadia (1) [+]
4. Ring Around the Moon (0)
10. Alpha Child (0)
13. Collision Course (0) [+]
15. The Full Circle (0) [+]
There seems to be some discussion about the fate of the Earth. The newscast from 1. Breakaway has been mentioned just upthread. I'll get to episode 6. Another Time, Another Place in a moment. Besides episodes 1 and 6, the fate of the Earth was mentioned, by my count, in two other episodes: 5. Earthbound and 22. Mission of the Darians. From http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z05e.html: 6. Another Time, Another Place (5) [++]
12. Voyager's Return (5)
23. Dragon's Domain (5)
17. War Games (4) [+]
19. The Troubled Spirit (4)
21. The Infernal Machine (4)
22. Mission of the Darians (4)
1. Breakaway (3)
3. Black Sun (3)
14. Death's Other Dominion (3) [+]
16. End of Eternity (3)
2. Matter of Life and Death (2) [+]
11. The Last Sunset (2) [+]
18. The Last Enemy (2) [+]
20. Space Brain (2)
7. Missing Link (1) [+]
8. Guardian of Piri (1) [+]
9. Force of Life (1)
24. The Testament of Arkadia (1) [+]
4. Ring Around the Moon (0)
10. Alpha Child (0)
13. Collision Course (0) [+]
15. The Full Circle (0) [+]
From http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z22motd.html:
[++] Now regarding 6. Another Time, Another Place. The Earth visited is one of an alternate reality. From http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z06atap.html:
While the possibility is certainly open that that is a view of Earth some time after the Moon was blasted out of orbit, it's also possible that the Earth visited is simply in a completely different timeline altogether.
Finally, as I think has also been mentioned upthread, it seems canonically established in season two's Journey to Where that the Earth does survive, but it's not in very good shape. That episode also supports the idea that the moon is supposed to be traveling at relativistic speeds. From http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/tscript/z28jtw.html:
Of course, a relative time lapse of decades is not long enough. And, if you think season one is bad....
Re: Why Space: 2099 Won’t Be a "Dark and Gritty" Reboot of Space: 1999
The Eagle in that second poster looks like it's taken more inspiration from Star Wars than 2001.
The Eagle in that second poster looks like it's taken more inspiration from Star Wars than 2001.
^ What is that thing that's right next to the Eagle? The one with the name ASIMOV on it?
^ Presently unknown. The Catacombs is speculating that it is the Meta Probe.
Right around the time you change the name to "Space: 2099," that's when.
That's the thing about reboots: they often fly out in completely different directions than their originals, which is kind of the whole POINT of rebooting something in the first place. It makes no sense to spend tens of millions of dollars manufacturing new sets, hiring new actors, developing new visual FX and a new score and audio setup just to re-shoot stories that everyone's already seen before. Reboots start with the original (or very similar) premise, then do something COMPLETELY different.
NuBSG was this way. They dropped the Imperious Leader, the dropped Evil Villain Baltar and the sycophantic Lucifer, they (eventually) dropped Boxy and Muffett. In the end, NONE of the storylines from the original BSG got recycled into the new one, and even the whole Pegasus arc had a dramatically different execution from start to finish.
I would expect Space: 2099 to have a similar divergence: same characters (more or less) and a serious update of Moonbase Alpha and all the technology, similar premise and everything else. Beyond that, it's an entirely new production altogether, and will be increasingly dissimilar to the original until they have almost nothing in common except for a name (and even THAT won't be the same, in this case).
Setting it on the moon AT ALL would make it unique at this point, especially if they were somehow prevented from ever returning to Earth. Most especially if the only other places they are ever able to visit are the other moons/asteroids/bodies of our own solar system. All the major sci-fi productions these days are set out in the far reaches of the galaxy in speculative far-away solar systems hundreds of years into the future. There's something to be said for a series that potentially puts a squad of astronauts searching for water on, say, the surface of Ceres.
I don't care. I don't know why I even started caring.
It's not the same name, it's not being made by the same people, it's not even being made in the same country, it's not the same show. Nothing to worry about. Panic over.
It's not the same name, it's not being made by the same people, it's not even being made in the same country, it's not the same show. Nothing to worry about. Panic over.