So What Are you Reading?: Generations

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by captcalhoun, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. Joel_Kirk

    Joel_Kirk Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Reading "Tunnel in the Sky"....

    (Maybe I'll come back to a book I listed previously in this thread, depending on my mood).
  2. Dimesdan

    Dimesdan "Down with this sort of thing!" Premium Member

    Oct 12, 2007
    Wow, a sentence with 39 words in a rant about "proper" grammar, irony is a wonderful thing.

    As for what I'm reading, I'm finishing off Lost Souls and hopefully will do so before Storming Heaven drops through my letter box.
  3. Thrawn

    Thrawn Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 15, 2008
    Washington, DC
    There's nothing ironic about it. Her sentence is long but perfectly correct and not run-on in any way. It's a common but false misconception that "run-on" simply means "long".
  4. Dimesdan

    Dimesdan "Down with this sort of thing!" Premium Member

    Oct 12, 2007
    True and false. Regardless of whether it is correct or not, it is long. Try reading it out loud. I personally ran out of breath by two thirds of the way through it. Now I'm not perfect, I garble the Queens English all the time. That rant though did smack of irony and was rather amusing for it.
  5. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    I don't find it a particularly long sentence. It has a simple and straightforward structure: Maybe A, but given B, then C. Just three parts, and it takes up under three lines in total. The only flaw I see in it is the reuse of "these" in the final phrase, which is a bit awkward-sounding, but not actually ungrammatical.

    For comparison, here's the closing sentence of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, which is often held up as a great example of concise and efficient public speaking:

    That's 82 words and a complicated structure with five segments. Yet aside from a few uses of punctuation that wouldn't get by a modern copyeditor, there's nothing wrong with it as a piece of writing. It's not an abuse of language to demand an attention span from your audience.
  6. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 8, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    39 words and long? Oh you non-German-speaking run-on sentence virgins.
  7. PKS8304

    PKS8304 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 21, 2011
    With the movie only 39 days out, Im diving into an Avengers re-read. Ive decided to go with the late 90's Heroes Return relaunch.

    Avengers- Busiek/Perez #1-56 (Perez leaves with #34)
    Captain America- Waid/Kubert/Jurgens #1-50
    Iron Man- Busiek/Chen #1-25
    Thor- Jurgens/Romita Jr #1-79 (though various artists throughout)
    Hulk- Byrne/Garney/various (Byrne leaves after #7) #1-11

    This includes Annuals, and crossover issues.

    Ive cruised through about the first year and a half so far of each run.
    Currently Im on:

    Captain America #20
    Iron Man #19
    Thor #14
    Hulk #5
    Avengers #19
  8. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    Again, "run-on sentence" does not mean "long sentence." As Wikipedia puts it, "A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction." For instance, this is a run-on sentence:

    • It's cold in here, I should put on shoes.

    This is not:

    • It is cold inside my apartment this morning due to the unseasonal lows we had overnight and the outdated temperature controls in my apartment building; therefore, my feet are chilly right now, and I would probably be more comfortable if I put on a pair of shoes.

    The former is a run-on because the two clauses are improperly connected. It could be fixed in any of the following ways:

    • It's cold in here. I should put on shoes.
    • It's cold in here; I should put on shoes.
    • It's cold in here, so I should put on shoes.

    The latter is a rambling and needlessly long sentence, but it isn't a run-on, because the independent clauses have conjunctions or correct punctuation connecting them.

    Now pardon me while I put on my shoes. It really is pretty dang chilly in here.
  9. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 8, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    Thanks for putting in all of that effort, but I knew all of that already. OTOH, it's also useful to explain my joke: In German it tends to be vastly more common to form long, multi-clause sentences, and unlike in English, it is not considered a stylistic sin to do so.

    One of the telltale signs of an inexperienced English speaker hailing from a German background is sentences of that nature, replete with comma-placement following German grammatic rules. And "break up your sentences!" is an often-heard admonishment in German English classes. In fact, even having majored in English in school and using English very frequently, I'm still prone to forming far longer sentences than is considered good, clear English a lot of the time.
  10. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Jul 22, 2004
    Arizona, USA
    Last night I decided to switch from Level 26: Dark Origin to ST:MU: Rise Like Lions. I just wasn't in the mood for something like L26, and I couldn't take RLL sitting on my Nook unread any longer.
  11. Fer

    Fer Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 9, 2009
    Pittsburgh PA area
    Just finished Romulan War: To Brave the Storm. I really enjoyed it, but I can see why people say it feels rushed. I'll probably see if I can find the review thread to go into more detail on my opinions on that.

    About to start Star Wars: Republic Commando - Triple Zero. The next book on deck is Catching Fire, the second Hunger Games book.
  12. Kertrats47

    Kertrats47 Commodore Commodore

    May 3, 2010
    Alberta, Canada
    I've had a pretty crazy month, so I'm a little behind on my blogging. I have been doing a lot of reading though! I've finally posted my review for Gateways #5: Star Trek: Voyager: No Man's Land by Christie Golden.

    In the past month, I've read:

    Gateways #6: Star Trek: New Frontier: Cold Wars by Peter David

    Gateways #7: What Lay Beyond by various

    Star Trek #57: The Rift by Peter David

    Star Trek: Errand of Vengeance #1: The Edge of the Sword by Kevin Ryan

    The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins

    and right now, I'm reading Star Trek: Vanguard: Storming Heaven by David Mack!
  13. Lunarflower

    Lunarflower Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 16, 2010
    San Diego
    Currently Star Trek: Vangaurd: Storming Heaven by David Mack.

    I was reading The Agency: The Body at the Tower by Y.S. Lee. Which I will finish after Vangaurd.

    I also still need to finish A Game of Thrones, and an Assassin's Creed novel, which have been abandoned for a while.
  14. bok2384

    bok2384 Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 5, 2006
    Warwickshire, UK
    Well, the temptation proved too great and That Which Divides got put to one side once again to make way for Storming Heaven. But, c'mon, its the Vanguard finale. :D
  15. Killie

    Killie Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Nov 27, 2011
    Just finished reading Enterprise: Last Full Measure and my review is up Here if anyone is interested.

    Currently been reading Enterprise: Rosetta which seems to be a rather long book!
  16. Lonemagpie

    Lonemagpie Writer Admiral

    Jan 31, 2007
    Game of Thrones yes, but the AC novels aren't worth the bother.
  17. Joel_Kirk

    Joel_Kirk Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    "Tunnel in the Sky" impressed me with various characters and portrayals, especially given it was written in 1955. On the other hand, I felt that "Farnham's Freehold," given situations and certain characters, left more questions than answers...especially in regards to plot thingys.

    I am still looking to read Heinlein's "Variable Star" (which I attained in a surprising manner) as well as some other books and short story collections. And, I may read "The Door Through Summer Again"...someday...since I'm in a conundrum of what to actually read next.

    He--Heinlein--seems to have a certain curious theme, which I've noticed other readers of Heinlein have caught.
  18. wahwahkits

    wahwahkits Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 5, 2007
    England, somewhere between Liverpool and Chester
    Last Rites by Shaun Hutson
  19. Patrick O'Brien

    Patrick O'Brien Captain Captain

    Feb 9, 2012
    Brooklyn NY
    Reading: Storming Heaven by David Mack. The end of the Vanguard series, so far it is awesome:bolian:
  20. Defcon

    Defcon Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 9, 2003
    Finished Storming Heaven a few minutes ago. Next up: The Vanguard series bible.

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