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Zachary Quinto to Host ‘In Search Of’ revival

Maybe but their is nothing wrong in people sort of seeing the world as a more magical and mysterious place than it might be. It isn't any more dangerous than any other tv show.

I recommend reading Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World. The problem with things that promote belief in such things is that they undermine people's critical-thinking skills and leave them vulnerable to manipulation and lies in other areas such as politics and medicine. There are people out there who don't just believe in fairies and ghosts, but in anti-vaccine propaganda, Holocaust denial, border walls, and other harmful ideas that people fall for because they haven't learned to think critically. Science isn't just facts and figures, it's a methodology for differentiating good ideas from bad.
 
I recommend reading Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World. The problem with things that promote belief in such things is that they undermine people's critical-thinking skills and leave them vulnerable to manipulation and lies in other areas such as politics and medicine. There are people out there who don't just believe in fairies and ghosts, but in anti-vaccine propaganda, Holocaust denial, border walls, and other harmful ideas that people fall for because they haven't learned to think critically. Science isn't just facts and figures, it's a methodology for differentiating good ideas from bad.

Maybe but I doubt some tv show is going to be the thing that sends them over the edge. It's more likely that propaganda that does it than a show being hosted be the new Spock. Plus I don't really like ruining people's fun and imagination or hope just because some people might get the wrong messages in life. If we do that we might as well give up all art. I mean people didn't want to end movies because John Hinkley was inspired by "Taxi Driver." To me alien and ghost stories have almost always been told in fun ways. People might like to go drive around Area 51 seeing if they can see something but I think this stuff is more fun stuff to think about for most people than it is something really important in their lives.

Jason
 
Maybe but I doubt some tv show is going to be the thing that sends them over the edge.

It's one boulder in the rockslide.

I'd agree with you that this sort of thing could be harmless fun, except a lot of people really fall for this crap, and the networks and publishers that make this crap are exploiting that gullibility to make money. So I can't see it as truly harmless.

And I don't see the "hope" in stuff like this. UFO hysteria tends to be motivated more by fear and paranoia -- the fear that unknown eldritch forces are watching us and could abduct us at any moment, the paranoia that the government knows and is covering it up. It's basically a Space Age gloss on the same fears that have prompted belief in demons and succubi and evil spirits throughout history, arising from the same psychological mechanisms that provoke night terrors, panic attacks, and the like. And when the original "flying saucer" hysteria got started in the late '40s and early '50s, it was something of an outgrowth of the fear of nuclear war, of enemy aircraft flying overhead and dropping atom bombs. People -- and governments -- feared that there might be enemy nations across space as well as across the sea.

And what tends to get glossed over about the Erich Von Daniken ancient astronaut claims that prompted those original Alan Landsburg specials is that Von Daniken's "theories" were rooted in blatant racism. He got his ideas from earlier theorists who were inspired by Nazism and the occult, and he believed ancient non-European cultures could never have achieved great things on their own and thus must have needed pasty white aliens to show them how. He believed black people were akin to apes and that "the European race" was created by aliens as a successful third draft after their "failure" with the "black and yellow races." The whole thing is just 19th-century eugenicism, the same ideology that drove the Nazis, with space aliens tacked on. A lot of this pseudoscience alt-history programming that airs regularly on the so-called History Channel is thinly veiled white-supremacist ideology and is widely embraced by the modern "Alt-Right."

https://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/is-pseudoarchaeology-racist/

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-astonishing-racial-claims-of-erich-von-daniken

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/01/02/close-encounters-racist-kind

This is not harmless entertainment -- there's some genuinely dangerous stuff behind it.
 
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Maybe but I doubt some tv show is going to be the thing that sends them over the edge. It's more likely that propaganda that does it than a show being hosted be the new Spock.
This new show is propaganda.

There are whole cults devoted to this nonsense, and it's insane how so many otherwise-educated, literate people really believe that aliens built the pyramids because humans couldn't. The ancient Egyptians were skilled in mathematics and engineering, and - like many other societies that had massive building projects - planned for the long term. Most modern politicians can't see farther than the next election cycle. That's 4 years, compared to building projects that take decades, or even centuries.

Plus I don't really like ruining people's fun and imagination or hope just because some people might get the wrong messages in life. If we do that we might as well give up all art.
The first time I hosted one of the avatar contests in the Miscellaneous forum here, I chose "The Art of the Zodiac" as the theme. People were to submit avatars of artwork based on the zodiac, horoscopes, astrology, etc. In the introduction, I made it clear that I personally think astrology is pseudoscience with no scientific validity, but I have to concede that it has inspired some really nice art over the millennia.

But note that I can appreciate a painting, drawing, or even a jigsaw puzzle with astrological themes and know that it's fiction. Unfortunately there are lots of other people who can't say the same. They think it's all true. Even my own father believed in space aliens and Chariots of the Gods. He'd waste his money on tabloids and insist I just "had" to read some article that "proved" UFOs were real.

I don't know much about Zacchary Quinto, but I will say this: If he has ever stated in an interview that he values science - and then takes a job promoting pseudoscience - that means he's a hypocrite.

To me alien and ghost stories have almost always been told in fun ways.
Lucky you. Others don't have it that way, since their parents and churches use this to scare them into obedience and a narrow view of the world that doesn't include science or the scientific method.
 
So is Quinto going to end up recapitulating Nimoy's entire career?
Quinto would need to sport a mustache if he is to properly emulate Nimoy as host of "In Search Of".

Nimoy didn't have pointed ears, but he did have a stache for some episodes.
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When I saw "In Search of" as a kid, I believed whatever pseudoscience or conspiracy the show was peddling. Because it was Mr. Spock who hosted/narrated it, that made it that much more believable to me. I was really dumb as a kid.

I recommend reading Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World. The problem with things that promote belief in such things is that they undermine people's critical-thinking skills and leave them vulnerable to manipulation and lies in other areas such as politics and medicine. There are people out there who don't just believe in fairies and ghosts, but in anti-vaccine propaganda, Holocaust denial, border walls, and other harmful ideas that people fall for because they haven't learned to think critically. Science isn't just facts and figures, it's a methodology for differentiating good ideas from bad.
I read that book.

Nowadays, one of the fun things about watching these shows about the paranormal is the chance to mock and debunk the so-called evidence and allegations that are presented on these shows.
 
Nowadays, one of the fun things about watching these shows about the paranormal is the chance to mock and debunk the so-called evidence and allegations that are presented on these shows.

Which is fine for those of us who know better, but I'm worried on behalf of all the people who don't.
 
I wonder if they will do one over the UFO sighting in Arizona in 1997 which I think it has been mentioned as being the most credible UFO sighting of all time. Also does the show do regular conspiracy theories? I can't wait to find out what they say about the picture I saw online that is supose to be Hitler in 1970's thus meaning he somehow faked his death. You got the hanging Munkin from "Wizard of Oz" and the enslaved moon children though I forget how they got there.

Jason
 
:rolleyes:

In this day and age, I would hope any educated person would be too ashamed to host a show that presents such ignorant drivel.
 
Hopefully it will be as much fun as Ancient Aliens. Maybe Zach will meet up with the big-hair guy. :rommie:
 
:rolleyes:

In this day and age, I would hope any educated person would be too ashamed to host a show that presents such ignorant drivel.

I'm not familiar with the first show so I think it would depend on what kind of tone they are going for. I still have my doubts about how serious many people take these things. Except for maybe ghosts and aliens. I know some people sometimes really do believe in it or at least find it plausible. The alien stuff I can see something really feeling somewhat plausible simply by the fact that it makes sense that their would be alien life out in the universe, somewhere. The stretch though is that this alien life was able to get here or would want to come here but of course "adavance tech" and the unknown motives of a difference species sort of covers that stuff up a little bit. As for ghosts I guess if you believe in a afterlife it's not to much of a stretch either though this is something I think people would clearly not want to be a real thing because if ghosts were a real thing it would be one of the most horrible revelations of all-time. That humans beings would be stuck in that kind of limbo after they die.

Jason
 
I still have my doubts about how serious many people take these things.

As I said, when I was a kid, I uncritically bought into all this paranormal stuff. It wasn't until I learned more about science and critical thinking that I began to realize how absurd it was. I remember a Carl Sagan-coauthored book from the library that offered a very solid deconstruction of UFO claims -- I think it was UFO's -- A Scientific Debate. There was also a couple of NOVA episodes on PBS in the early '80s, maybe, that effectively debunked a lot of things I'd assumed were real, such as UFOs and the Bermuda Triangle. There was a 1996 NOVA episode on "UFO abductions" that was also pretty good, and its transcript is online. There was also a great episode of Scientific American Frontiers in 1997 (viewable on this page -- click on Episode 802) that contains the most thorough and definitive debunking of the whole Roswell idiocy that I've ever seen.


The alien stuff I can see something really feeling somewhat plausible simply by the fact that it makes sense that their would be alien life out in the universe, somewhere. The stretch though is that this alien life was able to get here or would want to come here but of course "adavance tech" and the unknown motives of a difference species sort of covers that stuff up a little bit.

Yes, you've hit on the exact false equivalence that makes that argument invalid. Yes, it's plausible that life is out there somewhere, but that's not at all the same question as whether it's coming here, whether it flies around in ships that look like bad photos of hubcaps, whether it looks like big-headed humanoid nudists, etc. The fact that the existence of continents is plausible doesn't mean the myth of Atlantis is plausible. The general does not prove the specific.

And as I said before, UFO beliefs don't really have anything to do with scientific thought about extraterrestrial life. They're just the ancient human impulse to believe in fairy folk and demons and powerful beings in the heavens, dressed up with the trappings of the Space Age. UFO belief is basically a religious/psychosocial phenomenon rather than anything to do with the scientific search for extraterrestrial life. Historically, the descriptions of UFO aliens in claims of "close encounters" have tended to track with the dominant images of alien life in film and TV. People come to associate those images with aliens, and when they have hallucinations or delusions or religious fantasies about alien encounters, what they imagine is based on what they saw on TV/film/etc. The now-familiar "Gray Alien" image was actually fairly common from the late 19th century onward as a prediction of what humans might evolve into in the distant future. It first showed up in a UFO abduction claim in the mid-'60s and then again in the mid-'70s, and when it got popularized in films like Close Encounters, and later Communion and The X-Files, that created a feedback loop between media images and UFO claims, until the "Gray" became the default image in both. But it's not an image of an alien, it's an image of what we imagine ourselves becoming in the distant future.


As for ghosts I guess if you believe in a afterlife it's not to much of a stretch either though this is something I think people would clearly not want to be a real thing because if ghosts were a real thing it would be one of the most horrible revelations of all-time. That humans beings would be stuck in that kind of limbo after they die.

Well, the usual lore there is that a ghost is "stuck" on Earth until it resolves some "unfinished business" from life. So it's not the automatic fate of the soul, just a glitch in the process.

Although in real life it's usually just subsonic vibrations creating inexplicable noises, inducing feelings of dread, and vibrating floaters in your eye so that you imagine you see blurred shapes in your field of view.
 
I know some people sometimes really do believe in it or at least find it plausible. The alien stuff I can see something really feeling somewhat plausible simply by the fact that it makes sense that their would be alien life out in the universe, somewhere.
Carl Sagan himself said he would be delighted if aliens really were discovered (he read Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom novels as a child). But he would want incontrovertible proof - not a photo, not just an oral recounting of a supposed abduction, but physical artifacts that could not have been manufactured on Earth.

Have you ever seen the original Cosmos series? I'm guessing you're probably too young to have seen any of it in its original run (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

Here is an excerpt from the episode "Encyclopaedia Galactica" in which Sagan discusses the need for extraordinary evidence:

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I loved In Search Of... glad to see it’s coming back.
Side note, why wasn’t Star Trek III called In Search Of Spock?
I just had the same thought. :lol:

EDIT: Stumbled on this on Youtube, looks like Shatner was getting in on this as well:
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Oh, sure it is. Their earnestness is part of what makes it so much fun. :rommie:
 
Oh, sure it is. Their earnestness is part of what makes it so much fun. :rommie:
Considering there are three people on the gaming forum I hang out on who keep trotting out the most outlandish drivel to try to convince me that Genesis is so real and the bible is so a reliable scientific source (not to mention the troll who keeps insisting that atheism is a religion)... I have no sense of humor about this kind of crap. These are exactly the sort of people who watch such programs and believe them - and no amount of real archaeology, physics, geology, chemistry, astrophysics, astronomy, biology, or documented history will convince them otherwise.
 
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