Your Super Mario Canon?

Discussion in 'Gaming' started by Kirkman1987, Sep 29, 2009.

  1. Kirkman1987

    Kirkman1987 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 3, 2008
    Recently I innocently decided it was high time I went back and played through all the Super Mario games in anticipation of New Super Mario Brothers Wii and Galaxy 2 next year.

    I soon realised the astonishing number of Mario titles, which I had never really thought of before. See, there are so many spin-offs, sports and party games, and games that so greatly deviate from the others in the series that it becomes very difficult to say with any certainty which Mario games count, meaning which Mario games belong to the "main" super mario series, and which are just spin-offs or unrelated.

    For example, it's fairly clear that Dr. Mario or Super Smash Brothers do not belong in the same series as Super Mario world and Mario 64. On the other hand, What about games like Super Mario RPG or Paper Mario, games that clearly take place in the Mushroom Kingdom world, but that deviate largely from Platforming gameplay. Do the gameboy Mario land games count?

    Of course, the best solution is to just play the ones I like. Yet, There does seem to be an obvious "main" series, and I just find it interesting to debate those games that are on the border between being part of the main series or a spinoff game.

    Here are the games I feel actually count (of course any of them you like count, but I feel these constitute the actual main series)

    Super Mario Brothers- I'm skipping any games before this one. Donkey Kong, Mario Brothers, and other arcade type games lack almost everything that makes a mario game a mario game, except his presence. I can see Donkey Kong maybe, but it's clear to Me that SMB is where the series truly becomes it's own entity.

    The Lost Levels - Not really a true sequel, It plays more like an expansion pack, but I dig it as SMB part 2

    Super Mario 2 - This is one that has a lot of weird gameplay compared to other mario games, and in fact is a Japanese game that was reworked with mario characters for the U.S. market. regardless, It's a great platformer and I think deserves it's spot in the main series

    Super Mario 3 - it's in

    I'm skipping the Mario lands. Mario land was below standard imo, and featured mario driving an airplane/submarine. The 2nd mario land is borderline, and I'm not sure.

    Super Mario World - it's in

    We then have a million spinoffs. mario world 2 is really the first yoshi title, not a mario game, and RPG is an RPG, which is just tto far from the platforming style for me to count it. the others are obvious spinoffs, like Mario Paint and the first Kart game (which is awesome)

    Super Mario 64 - reinvented mario, but kept the roots. it's in

    We than have a billion spinoffs from this point till now, and i think most of them don't count, except for Sunshine and galaxy, which are both 64 influenced. New Super Mario brothers may also count.

    So by my count, there are 8 games (seven if you consider lost levels an expansion) in the actual "main" series, which I've catagorized as the console based platform related games.

    What do you guys think? is this somewhat accurate, how do you feel I was too harsh on some games?
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2009
  2. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    I count anything that isn't a sports or party game. That means I don't count Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, etc. It just doesn't make sense for Mario to be playing with Bowser for fun.

    I pretty much count everything else (including the god-awful Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine). The storyline is bare-bones for the most part so it doesn't impact much. I'm not quite sure if the new Yoshi's Island for DS's story adds up because it gets confusing with time travel, but I'm not in the mood to figure it out, so I'll count it.

    And I definitely count Super Mario RPG since it's one of my favorite Mario games.
  3. Akiraprise

    Akiraprise Vice Admiral Moderator

    Mar 4, 2004
    Me too. It's still one of my favorites.
  4. Aragorn

    Aragorn Admiral Admiral

    Dec 30, 2002
    Mike Tyson's Punch-Out? :)
  5. Kirkman1987

    Kirkman1987 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 3, 2008

    The Mushroom Kingdom would never call on Mario if they could've gotten Iron Mike. I can see it now. Tyson would've knocked out Bowser with his lighting fast uppercut.

    Imagine the titles

    Mike Tyson Galaxy
    Super Mike Tyson - The Lost Levels
    Mike is Missing
    Mike Tyson and Sonic at the Olympic Games
  6. OdoWanKenobi

    OdoWanKenobi Admiral Admiral

    Jan 2, 2003
    The main series to me:

    Super Mario Bros.
    Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels
    Super Mario Bros. 2
    Super Mario Bros. 3
    Super Mario World
    Yoshi's Island
    Super Mario 64
    Super Mario Sunshine
    Super Mario Galaxy

    Everything else is a spinoff. However, so many Mario games, the RPG spinoffs especially, are very worthy games.
  7. General_Phoenix

    General_Phoenix Captain Captain

    Apr 23, 2006
    When Mario and Luigi went back in time, they very well may have altered the timeline.


    Yoshi's Island
    Donkey Kong
    Donkey Kong Jr.
    Mario Bros.
    Super Mario Bros.
    Lost Levels
    Mario 64
    Super Mario 3
    Mario RPG
    Super Mario 2
    Super Mario World
    Paper Mario
    Mario Land 1 - 2
    1,000 Year Door
    New Mario Bros.
    Mario Galaxy

    Somewhere Mario earned his PhD. Not sure where that fits in, he also had a few interesting career changes. Carpenter, doctor, plumber, referee, etc. I suppose at some point he and Donkey Kong made peace with one another. He teamed up with a lot of heroes to defeat Tabuu, which may have also altered the timeline a bit.
  8. Smiley

    Smiley Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 8, 2005
    Chandler, AZ
    The following file has some interesting character profiles. Even though it was last updated in 2007, it gives a pretty good picture of how the events of ALL the games might fit together.

    My list:

    SMW2: Yoshi's Island
    SMB: LL
    SML2: 6 Golden Coins
    NSMBW (presumably this will fit)
    SMG2 (presumably this will fit)

    I love the RPGs, but the character growth experienced in those games is not reflected in the platformers.
  9. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    The new Super Mario Bros Wii will have a return of the Koopa Kids. Since they oddly disappeared in Mario 64 and got replaced by Bowser Jr. in some other game (haven't really kept up with the series), I wonder if Bros Wii could take place before Mario 64. Clearly any game with Yoshi (ignoring the Yoshi Island prequels) takes place after Mario World, but that seems to be the only real indicator.
  10. Rii

    Rii Rear Admiral

    Jul 22, 2008
    In Mario Kart 64 the trophy ceremony takes place in front of the castle from Mario 64. Just throwing that out there.
  11. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    Yeah, but it already has the same characters, so the fact that there's the same setting is a non-issue. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    In an effort to refine my definition to exclude the craptastic Mario is Missing and Time Machine games, I've decided also to exclude anything taking place in the real universe (aka, anything with New York City, etc). That might put Donkey Kong in a gray area (if it's supposed to be in NY, not sure), but the game is already in a gray area because the character isn't even Mario, but Jump Man. Mario Bros. definitely takes place in New York according to the background material, but I'm going to use the fact that there's no text on the screen explicitly pointing this out to retcon the game to fit into my continuity.
  12. Michael

    Michael In alignment with canon Moderator

    Jul 10, 2007
    Aloha Quadrant