your show's SHARK JUMP
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My understanding is that Babylon 5 was always planned as a 5 year show. "Sleeping in Light" was filmed at the end of season 4 just in case they didn't get a fifth season, not because season 4 was supposed to be the end."Sleeping in Light" was originally filmed as the Season Four ending wasn't it? That is, until they got another season and pushed it back?
RobertScorpio
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My understanding is that Babylon 5 was always planned as a 5 year show. "Sleeping in Light" was filmed at the end of season 4 just in case they didn't get a fifth season, not because season 4 was supposed to be the end."Sleeping in Light" was originally filmed as the Season Four ending wasn't it? That is, until they got another season and pushed it back?
And I don't even like SLEEPING LIGHT. I consider it filler and don't care for it. BAB-5 1-4 were so good because you could tell they thought-out what they were going to do, for the most part, ahead of time.
Heroes? The clowns claimed they had an idea and...ummm..i dont believe them...it lost me some time back..
Rob
My understanding is that Babylon 5 was always planned as a 5 year show. "Sleeping in Light" was filmed at the end of season 4 just in case they didn't get a fifth season, not because season 4 was supposed to be the end."Sleeping in Light" was originally filmed as the Season Four ending wasn't it? That is, until they got another season and pushed it back?
Correct.
My understanding is that Babylon 5 was always planned as a 5 year show. "Sleeping in Light" was filmed at the end of season 4 just in case they didn't get a fifth season, not because season 4 was supposed to be the end."Sleeping in Light" was originally filmed as the Season Four ending wasn't it? That is, until they got another season and pushed it back?
Thank you
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The Cosby Show
Kids grown up and moved out. Cousin Pam comes to live with the family and the focus shifts over to her and her friends.
Frasier
Not really a shark-jumping moment, but after Niles and Daphne got together, something was lost. Creatively, the show seemed to struggle for about two seasons until it was back on top for its final year.
Spin City
Mike leaves and half of the cast goes with him.
Empty Nest
Kristy McNichol leaves the show. Dr. Weston retires from pediatrics and the workplace moves from the hospital to a local clinic.
Kids grown up and moved out. Cousin Pam comes to live with the family and the focus shifts over to her and her friends.
Frasier
Not really a shark-jumping moment, but after Niles and Daphne got together, something was lost. Creatively, the show seemed to struggle for about two seasons until it was back on top for its final year.
Spin City
Mike leaves and half of the cast goes with him.
Empty Nest
Kristy McNichol leaves the show. Dr. Weston retires from pediatrics and the workplace moves from the hospital to a local clinic.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Desperate Housewives was good for only one season. Starting with the very first episode of season 2, it jumped the shark and became just another stupid prime-time soap.
Season 1 had a point that was more than just silly soap opera drama. But after that was resolved, the end was near. I stopped watching mid-season 3 and have never looked back.
Season 1 had a point that was more than just silly soap opera drama. But after that was resolved, the end was near. I stopped watching mid-season 3 and have never looked back.
Life on Mars (US version): The ending.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?Someone obviously didn't watch the finale.
You mean you didn't remember that scene...
...in the cornfield? Starbuck just vanishes when Lee was talking to her. Apparently when she originally died, she really did die. The Starbuck we'd been seeing since then was a HeadStarbuck - a ghost.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
What do you mean?Someone obviously didn't watch the finale.
You mean you didn't remember that scene...
...in the cornfield? Starbuck just vanishes when Lee was talking to her. Apparently when she originally died, she really did die. The Starbuck we'd been seeing since then was a HeadStarbuck - a ghost.
Yes...I saw that. But that conclusion is not as concrete as you make it seem. It was left 'open' so you, the viewer, can decide what she really was.
Or so I thought..
Rob
It didn't seem ambiguous to me. Somebody who just disappears right in the middle of a scene, and obviously could not have actually walked away, is either a ghost or a flashback. And not only do we know it's not the latter, but we actually saw the death in question, in the earlier episode.
The only thing we don't know is this:
Where did HeadStarbuck's Viper come from?
What do you mean?Someone obviously didn't watch the finale.
You mean you didn't remember that scene...
...in the cornfield? Starbuck just vanishes when Lee was talking to her. Apparently when she originally died, she really did die. The Starbuck we'd been seeing since then was a HeadStarbuck - a ghost.
Plus
Roslin did in fact die from her cancer.
I did watch the finale, that is why I put cured in quotation marks. It's easy to kill characters in the final episode (Enterprise did it and that wasn't a show known for being on the cutting edge), killing a popular, important character during a series raises the stakes for the remaining characters for the rest of the series.What do you mean?
You mean you didn't remember that scene...
...in the cornfield? Starbuck just vanishes when Lee was talking to her. Apparently when she originally died, she really did die. The Starbuck we'd been seeing since then was a HeadStarbuck - a ghost.
PlusRoslin did in fact die from her cancer.
The Simpsons
Season 9 - "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson"
The first episode of season 9, which was the first season to feature very bad episodes in consecutive order. While the first eight seasons did have bad episodes and there were some great episodes in season 9 (and the seasons that have happened since), this was the worst season opener so far up to that point, and it was a sign of bad things to come.
The season quickly became the first to give me the feeling that the people behind The Simpsons were almost completely out of good ideas and their humour was growing stale. If the show had ended after season 10, it could be said that its run was mostly brilliant. Instead we'll end up with 8 excellent seasons followed by probably 17 more in which 90% of the episodes suck aside from a few scattered solid ones here and there by the time its run finally concludes with a whimper.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Season 5, Episode 5 - No Place Like Home
Glory - the worst, most irritating villain ever on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and one of the lamest villains of all time gets a whole episode about her and takes the show to hell with her insufferable grating ways and the ridiculous reveal that Buffy's fake sister is the key to another dimension that she's after. The show had done some fairly hokey stuff up to that point, but this was the worst, in my opinion.
After the classic villains like Angelus and The Mayor, it was really sad to see the show come up with such a weak one, and after a stellar first few episodes ("Buffy vs. Dracula" was fun and thoughtful and "The Replacement" is my second favourite Buffy episode of all-time), the show took a turn for the worst. The Initiative storyline may have been rather underwhelming, but it was not nearly as ill-conceived as Glory and her story arc.
This season did have standout episodes like "The Body", "I Was Made to Love You" (when it's not dragged down by Ben/Glory nonsense), and "Into the Woods" (very nicely-written scenes of the break-up and Xander's confession to Anya), but I think "The Replacement" was the last truly great classically written, acted, and directed Buffy episode. Anything good after that just paled in comparison to the high points of the first four seasons.
The X-Files
Somewhere in the period of seasons 6-8, when the show started more consistently going the overtly comedic route. I have to admit some of my favourite episodes are comedic ones like "Dreamland", "X-Cops", "Hollywood A.D.", and "Je Souihaite", but the rest of the comedic episodes (especially in season 7) and onwards are often embarassingly silly.
Also, with Mulder largely absent, the last two seasons seemed quite extraneous. There is an awesome episode in season 9 called "Improbable" that is one of my favourites, though. This is another show, that, like The Simpsons, could have ended its run with a fairly spotless record if it had just wrapped things up a little bit past the five seasons mark. In this case, at the end of season 6 or 7.
Season 9 - "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson"
The first episode of season 9, which was the first season to feature very bad episodes in consecutive order. While the first eight seasons did have bad episodes and there were some great episodes in season 9 (and the seasons that have happened since), this was the worst season opener so far up to that point, and it was a sign of bad things to come.
The season quickly became the first to give me the feeling that the people behind The Simpsons were almost completely out of good ideas and their humour was growing stale. If the show had ended after season 10, it could be said that its run was mostly brilliant. Instead we'll end up with 8 excellent seasons followed by probably 17 more in which 90% of the episodes suck aside from a few scattered solid ones here and there by the time its run finally concludes with a whimper.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Season 5, Episode 5 - No Place Like Home
Glory - the worst, most irritating villain ever on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and one of the lamest villains of all time gets a whole episode about her and takes the show to hell with her insufferable grating ways and the ridiculous reveal that Buffy's fake sister is the key to another dimension that she's after. The show had done some fairly hokey stuff up to that point, but this was the worst, in my opinion.
After the classic villains like Angelus and The Mayor, it was really sad to see the show come up with such a weak one, and after a stellar first few episodes ("Buffy vs. Dracula" was fun and thoughtful and "The Replacement" is my second favourite Buffy episode of all-time), the show took a turn for the worst. The Initiative storyline may have been rather underwhelming, but it was not nearly as ill-conceived as Glory and her story arc.
This season did have standout episodes like "The Body", "I Was Made to Love You" (when it's not dragged down by Ben/Glory nonsense), and "Into the Woods" (very nicely-written scenes of the break-up and Xander's confession to Anya), but I think "The Replacement" was the last truly great classically written, acted, and directed Buffy episode. Anything good after that just paled in comparison to the high points of the first four seasons.
The X-Files
Somewhere in the period of seasons 6-8, when the show started more consistently going the overtly comedic route. I have to admit some of my favourite episodes are comedic ones like "Dreamland", "X-Cops", "Hollywood A.D.", and "Je Souihaite", but the rest of the comedic episodes (especially in season 7) and onwards are often embarassingly silly.
Also, with Mulder largely absent, the last two seasons seemed quite extraneous. There is an awesome episode in season 9 called "Improbable" that is one of my favourites, though. This is another show, that, like The Simpsons, could have ended its run with a fairly spotless record if it had just wrapped things up a little bit past the five seasons mark. In this case, at the end of season 6 or 7.
^I don't think Glory was nearly as annoying as Warren or the First Evil. The problem with Warren was that making the character such a misogynist was a cheap way to quickly make the audience dislike him. This is when the writers started to reveal that they hate men. The First Evil was a pathetic attempt at a supreme villain and I refuse to believe that it was really as powerful as it said it was. That's the reason why Wolfram & Hart bitchslapped it into oblivion in the Buffy finale.
Yeah, The First Evil was a stupid villain, but at least it lead to the creation of Caleb, who was very cool and fascinating to watch. I agree that Warren was rather shallowly written, but I didn't mind him as much as Glory, because he at least had that funny banter with Andrew and Jonathan and I enjoyed his inventions. The main reason I consider Glory inferior to those others was because unlike them, I didn't find anything about her personality or behaviour appealing in any way.
Her conversations with her minions (who were also annoying as hell) were a bore, unlike the nerd arguments or the interaction with Caleb and the First Evil. The only think I really liked about Glory was how attractive she was, but that has nothing to do with the character, it was just the actress, so character-wise I thought she was the weakest villain.
Her conversations with her minions (who were also annoying as hell) were a bore, unlike the nerd arguments or the interaction with Caleb and the First Evil. The only think I really liked about Glory was how attractive she was, but that has nothing to do with the character, it was just the actress, so character-wise I thought she was the weakest villain.
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