your show's SHARK JUMP
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The X-Files was my favourite show as a teenager, but there were definitely times when interest began to waver. The cracks were beginning to appear towards the end of season four, but the "shark-jump" was probably the Emily two-parter in season five. A tedious and utterly failed attempt at character development, mired in Carter's self-indulgence that had begun to swallow up the show. Also marks the point where to "MythArc" episodes became plodding, formulaic and went absolutely nowhere; the fact that it's surrounded by pretty mediocre MOTW episodes doesn't help either.
The show managed to reinvent itself in season six, and this did work for a while, but it was no longer the X-Files viewers had grown to know and love from the beginning.
The show managed to reinvent itself in season six, and this did work for a while, but it was no longer the X-Files viewers had grown to know and love from the beginning.
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Babylon 5. Season Five. 'Nuff Said.
I totally agree. My friend 'forced' me to watch BAB-5. I actually remember watching the pilot episode all those years ago, but the moment I saw Lando (who looked like Napoleon) I turned the dumb show of..
HOWEVER...years later after Bab-5 had ended, we made a deal. I had to watch BAB-5 and he had to watch the final four seasons of DS9. It was a great double feature for many months as we did just that..
I though Bab-5 was well done. I felt as if it was starting to run out of gas, actually, in the middle of season 4, after the shadow war was resolved. But it was still a very good show..and then he asked me if I wanted to see season 5...I said, okay. But he had to watch season five of, get this, Hawaii Five 0.
Hawaii Five-0 whupped up on Bab-5/season Five. Season Five just,well, I just pretend I never saw it. It was that bad...so I totally agree. Ba-5 jumped the shark and, IMO, never recovered.
Rob
I feel like saying- because loads of people seem to have a problem with the aliens and the skull- that the crystal skulls as a depository of alien or extradimensional knowledge is a well established myth dating back many thousands of years. People seem to view it as a WTF? plot, and say it was too wierd, but it's mythology, no different from the Holy Grail.
And i feel like saying the Crystal Skull myths do not date back thousands of years, because the first one was made in the 19th century. There is absolutely nothing, zip, zero, zilch about Crystal Skulls in any of the mythology of the Ancient Civilizations of the Middle and South Americas.
Shaping the skulls of infants into odd shapes yes, strange looking people referred to as Outsiders or Visitors from the Sky, yes. But Crystal Skulls are nothing but a hoax. Any mythology attached to them is a modern invention.
Well, that's not what I read. For one thing, I recall reading that one of the actual artifacts- not one of the many more modern copies- took 300 years to create, or so its estimated. If a people spend 300 years crafting a work of art, I'm pretty sure there must be substantial reason for it. Also, I've heard the "all a hoax" idea, too, and my understanding was that it was, at best, at least as theoretical and shaky as the possible mythology. Even if you're correct, my actual point that the makers of the film didn't simply pull the idea out of their backside at random still stands
Babylon 5. Season Five. 'Nuff Said.
I don't understand why Season Five is so reviled. It's quieter, less epic and the show was forced to find a new focus, but I enjoyed it just as much as the preceding four seasons.
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Babylon 5. Season Five. 'Nuff Said.
I don't understand why Season Five is so reviled. It's quieter, less epic and the show was forced to find a new focus, but I enjoyed it just as much as the preceding four seasons.
Not me. Its not as bad as, oh, Andromeda. But it just seemed like they got J M to make another season of a show that already had a begining middle and end...
And I think DS9 would have suffered as well, had after WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND they had come to IRA and said "give us another season".
BAB-5 should have called it quits after season-4. And I think, if he was pressed to admit it...J M would agree. IMO the later BABs just didn't have it. And that dreary Direct to DVD thingy he put out a year or so back, which I bought, filmed on all those great 'green screen' sets was (yeah, right)..well...I should have waited to get it in the 5$ bin like my friend did just last month...
Rob
Babylon 5. Season Five. 'Nuff Said.
I don't understand why Season Five is so reviled. It's quieter, less epic and the show was forced to find a new focus, but I enjoyed it just as much as the preceding four seasons.
Not me. Its not as bad as, oh, Andromeda. But it just seemed like they got J M to make another season of a show that already had a begining middle and end...
And I think DS9 would have suffered as well, had after WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND they had come to IRA and said "give us another season".
BAB-5 should have called it quits after season-4. And I think, if he was pressed to admit it...J M would agree. IMO the later BABs just didn't have it. And that dreary Direct to DVD thingy he put out a year or so back, which I bought, filmed on all those great 'green screen' sets was..well...I should have waited to get it in the 5$ bin like my friend did just last month...
Rob
"Sleeping in Light" was originally filmed as the Season Four ending wasn't it? That is, until they got another season and pushed it back?
I feel like saying- because loads of people seem to have a problem with the aliens and the skull- that the crystal skulls as a depository of alien or extradimensional knowledge is a well established myth dating back many thousands of years. People seem to view it as a WTF? plot, and say it was too wierd, but it's mythology, no different from the Holy Grail.
And i feel like saying the Crystal Skull myths do not date back thousands of years, because the first one was made in the 19th century. There is absolutely nothing, zip, zero, zilch about Crystal Skulls in any of the mythology of the Ancient Civilizations of the Middle and South Americas.
Shaping the skulls of infants into odd shapes yes, strange looking people referred to as Outsiders or Visitors from the Sky, yes. But Crystal Skulls are nothing but a hoax. Any mythology attached to them is a modern invention.
Well, that's not what I read. For one thing, I recall reading that one of the actual artifacts- not one of the many more modern copies- took 300 years to create, or so its estimated. If a people spend 300 years crafting a work of art, I'm pretty sure there must be substantial reason for it. Also, I've heard the "all a hoax" idea, too, and my understanding was that it was, at best, at least as theoretical and shaky as the possible mythology. Even if you're correct, my actual point that the makers of the film didn't simply pull the idea out of their backside at random still stands
I would recommend reading books written by more reputable archaeologists. Every analysis done of every skull has shown without doubt that they were created in the mid-19th century. The tool marks match up with jewelers tools from that period.
The reason why it sounds like it could be true, is that the perpetrator of the original hoax was an archaeologist, who had the skull crafted and then planted it on an actual dig - where amazingly he then went on to discover it. His own daughter, who supposedly made the discovery admitted it was a hoax before her death.
The filmmakers didnt make up the mythology agreed, but neither did the ancient civilizations that supposedly crafted them.
I wont derail the thread any further, but if you want to talk about it or anything else related to archaeology, drop me a PM.
First off, B5 S5 is an unfortunate side-effect of real life issues that JMS had no control over. But let me list all the reasons S5 was a horrible disappointment:
no action. no Shadows. no Vorlons. Sheridan becomes a bearded suit-wearing wuss. Delenn becomes a cutesy house wife. No Ivanova. No Marcus. Those were two of my favorite characters. Lochley, the second worst character of the series. Byron, THE worst character of the series. The entire first half of the season, really. The second half improves.
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Ummmm...I agree. Good one. Cant wait to see if the nuBSG fans jump on this one, but I think you nailed it.
SOAP..one of my favorite shows. But it seemed, to me, to JUMP THE SHARK when Jessica came back to life. I didn't care for, sorry to say, Bea Arthur's role and I think it Jumped the Shark with it...
Rob
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Oh..and when BUCK ROGERS ditched the premise of the first season and put them on that exploration ship... I did like "HAWK", but other than that, the show got kind of lost for me..
Rob
Rob
Any "Lois And Clark" after season one.
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Wow..yep!! I agree.
What about MOONLIGHTING when Willis/Sheppard finally "do it". That ruined the show for me and it was all downhill after that...
Rob
What about MOONLIGHTING when Willis/Sheppard finally "do it". That ruined the show for me and it was all downhill after that...
Rob
Here's a few that pop into my head:
That 70's Show: The end of season seven.
Futurama: The first movie, even though I do think they got a little better as they went along.
Newsradio: Phil Hartman dying.
Frasier: Daphne's mom actually getting story lines.
SNL: Every five seasons or so.
That 70's Show: The end of season seven.
Futurama: The first movie, even though I do think they got a little better as they went along.
Newsradio: Phil Hartman dying.
Frasier: Daphne's mom actually getting story lines.
SNL: Every five seasons or so.
I thought it happened when Rosalin was "cured" of her cancer. It's just so typical of TV to put a main character in a situation with no way out and then magically have the character get out of it at the last minute. nuBSG became just another show for me at that moment when the writers/producers didn't have the balls to actually kill her off. It's hardly surprising when they kill off Starbuck only to bring her back.
If they had killed Rosalin early on it would have made viewers doubt if Starbuck would come back to the show after she was "killed." Is there anyone who didn't know Starbuck would be back?
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