Your postmortem thoughts on DISCO

[Unionized Elf]

Michael killed T'Kuvma immediately after he killed Georgiou by impaling her with a huge sword. When a teammate/superior officer is killed right next to you by someone with a huge sword, I think the use of lethal force as self defense is warranted. It may not achieve the desired goals of the mission, but you can't blame someone for resorting to lethal force under these circumstances either.

 

[Frostscape One]

And it played exactly into making T'Kuvma a martyr, keeping the war going with no end in sight.

T'Kuvma would have been alive if Burnham didn't first suggest the idea of capturing him to Georgiou. They wouldn't have beamed over there to begin with. (Incidentally, also preventing Georgiou from getting killed herself.)

Georgiou did authorize that mission, but Burnham's actions were still why the war kept going. Whether they were justified or not at that moment is irrelevant.

Add to her attempted mutiny right before the attack. Burnham got exactly what she deserved.

 

[Nyotarules]

And by killing T'Kuvma, assured a continuing war that killed millions in the Federation.

At least the descendants of the Defiant crew were innocents.

The war would have happened anyway. The Vulcan hello was the better strategy for the Klingons, than We come in peace.

 

[Victoria]

I felt that the going-to-the-future thing could have been dealt with more believeably by making it an opportunity to "boldly go where no-one has gone before" rather than a soppy "Michael is our friend" when she clearly wasn't.

Those people with strong family connections would have chosen to stay behind but many of the main crew didn't have those connections. Saru is cut off from his home and people, Tilly has a poor relationship with her bullying mother. For both of those, Discovery is their found family. Stamets and Culber are a unit and I can see Stamets choosing to go with "his" Spore Drive. Isn't Owosekun another who's estranged from their family? People like Detmer could be just excited by the possibilities.

It seems to me this would have played better into the Star Trek ethos.

 

[Nyotarules]

Michael killed T'Kuvma immediately after he killed Georgiou by impaling her with a huge sword. When a teammate/superior officer is killed right next to you by someone with a huge sword, I think the use of lethal force as self defense is warranted. It may not achieve the desired goals of the mission, but you can't blame someone for resorting to lethal force under these circumstances either.

Burnham is meant to be a professional semi soldier, she is meant to deal with the bigger picture of the mission, not her personal feelings.
DISC season 1 is proof that Starfleet is definitely not the military, since their officers do a piss poor job at soldiering...

 

[Frostscape One]

The war would have happened anyway. The Vulcan hello was the better strategy for the Klingons, than We come in peace.

The war would have happened, yes, but it could have been brought to an end MUCH more quickly with T'Kuvma captured.

From a Klingon perspective, who would they keep fighting for: a dead martyr or the guy who started the war, with other houses grudgingly going along, allowing himself to be captured by the enemy?

A Klingon being captured is considered a dishonor (we've seen entire episodes in the franchise devoted to this), so having the leader and starter of the war be captured puts his entire campaign into question, and more and more of the houses would have stopped fighting. Or at the very least slow it down and give an attempt at peace.

But killing T'Kuvma? That guaranteed the war would rage on hard until they destroyed the Federation.

 

[Frostscape One]

Burnham is meant to be a professional semi soldier, she is meant to deal with the bigger picture of the mission, not her personal feelings.
DISC season 1 is proof that Starfleet is definitely not the military, since their officers do a piss poor job at soldiering...

DISCO only proved to the audience that the Starfleet officers of this show couldn't be taken seriously as professionals, period.

Certainly doesn't mean Starfleet is not a military, because the massive evidence across the entire franchise proves it is.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Discovery showed these officers needed to be medically retired due to trauma, not kept together like a TNG crew. Poor management.

 

[Frostscape One]

Discovery showed these officers needed to be medically retired due to trauma, not kept together like a TNG crew. Poor management.

DISCO showed these people aren't professionals because of the amount of times they have their meltdowns during an emergency with lives on the line under a ticking clock.

Having a breakdown is fine... but not during a crisis. That can cost lives. For example, if a doctor in an ER had a group of patients all in critical condition, and that doctor was losing it while those people are dying, you think he should be taken seriously?

That's why they are called professionals...you handle the job at hand and have your emotional breakdown on your own time. Doctors, soldiers, cops, firefighters, etc... they all go through a lot of training to BE professionals. Some can't cut it, and wash out. Others, those breakdowns happen, and they get fired... precisely because it puts OTHER LIVES at risk.

TOS - ENT, I can actually take those Starfleet officers seriously. DISCO? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

DISCO showed these people aren't professionals because of the amount of times they have their meltdowns during an emergency with lives on the line under a ticking clock.

Having a breakdown is fine... but not during a crisis. That can cost lives. For example, if a doctor in an ER had a group of patients all in critical condition, and that doctor was losing it while those people are dying, you think he should be taken seriously?

That's why they are called professionals...you handle the job at hand and have your emotional breakdown on your own time. Doctors, soldiers, cops, firefighters, etc... they all go through a lot of training to BE professionals. Some can't cut it, and wash out. Others, those breakdowns happen, and they get fired... precisely because it puts OTHER LIVES at risk.

TOS - ENT, I can actually take those Starfleet officers seriously. DISCO? Don't make me laugh.

I can't take most ENT Seriously either.

But, I don't hold it against Discovery. It is reflection of our times the stories were told. I still thoroughly enjoy Michael's journey.

 

[Quantum21]

I almost hate to say it, but if I had to sum up Discovery in one word it would be "forgettable".

Not as bad as the generally loathesome Picard, but ultimately just a thing that came and went for me.

The absolute last word I'd think of. Discovery is on par with TNG for significance and everything since then has been because of it. Academy is only here because of it and it looks fantastic. The trailer is getting massive views. Discovery lives!

 

[Quantum21]

Discovery got me back into Star Trek. I like the earlier part of its run and the later part of its run equally, but for different reasons. It's my second-favorite of the New Trek series behind Picard. I'll definitely revisit Discovery again from time-to-time. The series might be over, but my interest in it never will be.

I'd say Discovery is the most misunderstood Star Trek series. If you don't get it, you don't get it. But if you do get it, you get so much more out of it.

Little anecdote: I was told I used to dance to disco in my crib. So, in a way, I've been a Disco Fan all my life.

I can already see people reappraising it online and it's still in the P+ top 20 to this day. I rewatched a few episodes recently and it feels future-proofed to me. It won't age much.

 

[FredH]

T'Kuvma being captured would have been the bargaining chip that would have stopped the war from escalating further.

I don’t know. He’s a Klingon — wouldn’t he have preferred an honorable death, and even called on his own people to come destroy wherever he was held? (And wouldn’t they likely have not even needed him to tell them that?). So whether or not Burnham & Georgiou knew it, capturing him might not have stopped anything.

 

[Frostscape One]

I don’t know. He’s a Klingon — wouldn’t he have preferred an honorable death, and even called on his own people to come destroy wherever he was held? (And wouldn’t they likely have not even needed him to tell them that?). So whether or not Burnham & Georgiou knew it, capturing him might not have stopped anything.

T'Kuvma would have preferred that because that would be exactly what would martyr him. And his death did.

Capturing T'Kuvma would have really dishonored him, and such dishonor would taint everything about him, including his war cry. And because of that dishonor, the various Houses would have been less likely to keep following his banner or simply stop following altogether, and therefore stop the war.

(There are entire episodes in the franchise that deal with the dishonor a Klingon AND their family gets when they are captured instead of killed in battle.)

 

[FredH]

T'Kuvma would have preferred that because that would be exactly what would martyr him. And his death did.

Capturing T'Kuvma would have really dishonored him, and such dishonor would taint everything about him, including his war cry. And because of that dishonor, the various Houses would have been less likely to keep following his banner or simply stop following altogether, and therefore stop the war.

Fair.