Your Opinion: Is "Star Trek" Better or Worse Without Gene Roddenberry?
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If altruism is earning money and building a reliable television career, then yes.
I'd prefer to think of it as an "Entertainment Business". If you don't prioritize entertainment, why would anyone want to support it?
And I don't mind spending money on Star Trek at all. What I do mind is when Star Trek lectures us about how doing such a thing is infantile.
Picard: People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We've grown out of our infancy.
Said in Season 1's finale 'The Neutral Zone'. The same season where Picard showcases a rather vocal arrogance towards anything and anyone that doesn't agree with him while also talking openly about how much he hates children.
My first reaction is to say "both". But when I'm forced to give an answer, I say "better".
Gene Roddenberry WAS a genious when he invented the basic core concepts of Star Trek. His vision was indeed great.
But whenever he had too much control over the details of production and storytelling, the results weren't as good as when other great minds filled his original vision with life.
Iirc, the beginning and some episodes of TOS, TMP and TNG season 1 was when Roddenberry had the strongest influence on the production, and those are imo among the weaker parts of the franchise.
Some amazing ideas that became iconic were introduced by others, wasn't i.e. much of the Vulcan culture contributed by Dorothee C. Fontana? Also, TNG became better the less Roddenberry was involved.
Maybe this relates a bit to how I view George Lukas' involvement with Star Wars -- the original idea in 1977 was lightning in a bottle. But the prequels imo proved that Lukas had no idea whatsoever WHY the original had been so amazing.
Gene Roddenberry WAS a genious when he invented the basic core concepts of Star Trek. His vision was indeed great.
But whenever he had too much control over the details of production and storytelling, the results weren't as good as when other great minds filled his original vision with life.
Iirc, the beginning and some episodes of TOS, TMP and TNG season 1 was when Roddenberry had the strongest influence on the production, and those are imo among the weaker parts of the franchise.
Some amazing ideas that became iconic were introduced by others, wasn't i.e. much of the Vulcan culture contributed by Dorothee C. Fontana? Also, TNG became better the less Roddenberry was involved.
Maybe this relates a bit to how I view George Lukas' involvement with Star Wars -- the original idea in 1977 was lightning in a bottle. But the prequels imo proved that Lukas had no idea whatsoever WHY the original had been so amazing.
everything evolves, for better or worse......
I think writers after have done a good job in becoming 'woke' (do hate that term but it is easy lol). Not as woke as The Orville but its doing alright.... we finally have green peeps YEA!!
Didnt know much about Gene pesonally so that info was a little heartbreaking cause i sorta had this image of him being above reproach, oh well lol~ there are much worse in the world than that eh!!
The reason I say these new shows n movies are better is simply CGI, we get more space, we get funky aliens not just dudes in suits lol and just more to see....
example: Ortagas flying through an asteroid belt- you could see the little rocks dinging the shield, that thrilled me... not something you see in the OGs
I think writers after have done a good job in becoming 'woke' (do hate that term but it is easy lol). Not as woke as The Orville but its doing alright.... we finally have green peeps YEA!!
Didnt know much about Gene pesonally so that info was a little heartbreaking cause i sorta had this image of him being above reproach, oh well lol~ there are much worse in the world than that eh!!
The reason I say these new shows n movies are better is simply CGI, we get more space, we get funky aliens not just dudes in suits lol and just more to see....
example: Ortagas flying through an asteroid belt- you could see the little rocks dinging the shield, that thrilled me... not something you see in the OGs
Fucking woke again.
What difference does the fact he created the concept make to whether or not the show was better without him?
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