That may be true, but that does not mean lager is not a kind of beer.
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That may be true, but that does not mean lager is not a kind of beer.
All Seeing Eye
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I don't drink Lager, Lager is like acid in a glass. Beer/bitter is nice and smoooooooooooooooooth.
It's not a limitation of any language, it's a material fact.
It would be like saying that a Labrador Retriever isn't a dog, or that iron isn't a metal, or that beef isn't meat.
Beer isn't the same as Bitter, but all Bitters are Beers.
All Seeing Eye
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You know what? I don't think it is.
In fact, I suspect that you're making this up. At best, I think it's merely slang usage among uneducated young people.
The online edition of the Oxford English Dictionary defines "lager" as follows:
lager, n.
a. = LAGER BEER n. Also, a drink of this.
Lager has long been more usual than lager beer.
1855 J. E. COOKE Ellie I. i. 13 He was rotund, red and solemn‘lager’ was written in his eyes. 1858 in Bartlett Dict. Amer. (1860) 235 The German drinks his lager, and drinks it apparently in indefinite quantities. 1867 SIMMONDS Dict. Trade Suppl., Bock-beer, a favourite Bavarian..beverage, of the best lager description. 1883 ‘MARK TWAIN’ Life on Mississippi xxiii. 260 Give an Irishman lager for a month and he's a dead man. 1891 Daily News 27 Apr. 3/2 ‘Large lagers’,..which were over half a pint. 1922 E. O'NEILL Anna Christie (1923) I. 6 Johnny draws the lager and porter and sets the big, foaming schooners before them. 1943 H. TAUBER Enzyme Technol. i. 28 Ale yeast does not contain melibiase, whereas lager yeast does. 1984 Listener 27 Sept. 22/1 A club with one of the worst records for drunken yobbery..makes a deal with the makers of Holstein lager.
b. Special Comb. lager lout colloq., a young man who behaves in an aggressive, boorish manner as a result of drinking (typically lager) excessively.
1987 C. THOMPSON Beware Barmaid's Smile! 8 When the lager lout says that beer is an old man's drink, the reply is to ask if they have ever thought of growing up. 1989 Q Mar. 10/1 There's more to football supporters than Stanley knife-waving lager louts. 1993 Independent 4 Jan. 5/1 The recession is having one good effectkeeping lager louts away from foreign holiday resorts.
It also has an entry for "lager beer":
Now--a dictionary definition is never decisive. Usages change, and dictionaries must change to reflect this. But the OED is usually pretty good at noting established dialectical differences. For example: it defines "petrol" without comment, but notes that "gasoline" is "chiefly U.S.."
So, unless you can provide me with some good examples of this alleged dialectical difference, I call bullshit.
Don't cry.
All Seeing Eye
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Come to my local and you can buy a few rounds ins.
So: you're admitting that you can't provide the examples I requested?
Thank you.
Ping is wise, listen to him.
Trust us, we've been down this road, many many times.
As a northerner, I can say that it is true that "bitter" and "beer" generally mean the same thing to most people there. In the corner of the north that I'm from, if you ask for a pint of beer in a pub it will be assumed you mean a pint of bitter.
And make no mistake, people do know that bitters and lagers are both beers - so it's not done out of ignorance. My theory is that it's a throwback to the days before lager became popular - so bitter became synonymous with beer. Even though that's technically incorrect, people still know the score.
And make no mistake, people do know that bitters and lagers are both beers - so it's not done out of ignorance. My theory is that it's a throwback to the days before lager became popular - so bitter became synonymous with beer. Even though that's technically incorrect, people still know the score.
All Seeing Eye
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When you're at school they don't just give you the answers, they give you the opportunity to research it for yourself. I am giving you that opportunity.
As a northerner, I can say that it is true that "bitter" and "beer" generally mean the same thing to most people there. In the corner of the north that I'm from, if you ask for a pint of beer in a pub it will be assumed you mean a pint of bitter.
And make no mistake, people do know that bitters and lagers are both beers - so it's not done out of ignorance. My theory is that it's a throwback to the days before lager became popular - so bitter became synonymous with beer. Even though that's technically incorrect, people still know the score.
See, this is all he had to say and it would have headed off the whole damn thing!
Three things wrong with your post:
1) At school they usually bother to be RIGHT about what they teach.
2) This isn't school.
3) You're no one's teacher.
All Seeing Eye
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As a northerner, I can say that it is true that "bitter" and "beer" generally mean the same thing to most people there. In the corner of the north that I'm from, if you ask for a pint of beer in a pub it will be assumed you mean a pint of bitter.
And make no mistake, people do know that bitters and lagers are both beers - so it's not done out of ignorance. My theory is that it's a throwback to the days before lager became popular - so bitter became synonymous with beer. Even though that's technically incorrect, people still know the score.
See, this is all he had to say and it would have headed off the whole damn thing!
I win. Victory is mine.
I'm glad this is finally over with.
I don't possibly see how. You haven't said the right thing yet.
Odd, since it's not.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
I don't possibly see how. You haven't said the right thing yet.
Odd, since it's not.
Please don't dwell on this, time to admit defeat and move on.
beer/bitter is beer/bitter and lager is lager. Regardless of what it's called in Germany, in countries like Germany they are stuck with one word 'Biere' or whatever it is, not like here.
Please don't dwell on this, time to admit defeat and move on.
Lager and ale are both a little different from each other, but both are beer.
It's not my fault that some yobs and chavs say "beer" when what they mean is "ale".
