Young Justice-Tonight!

[Santa Kang]

I assume Bette is Bette Kane, the first Bat-Girl and current Flamebird in the comics.

I wonder if the Tornado has a third sibling? In a recent miniseries we met Red Torpedo, Red Inferno and Red Volcano.

 

[Christopher]

^Bette? I don't remember a Bette. Was she someone Artemis met at school? I just remember Dick and Barbara.

 

[Santa Kang]

The blonde girl who Artemis meets before Dick snaps the picture.

 

[Thestral]

I'm really disappointed in Cartoon Network right now. I wasn't able to catch the episode, assuming as before I'd watch it online as I'd done with a few of them months ago.

Come to find out the CN website only has full episodes available if you provide them your cable information, and then only to certain cable providers anyway (of which mine isn't one). WTH?

So... no "Homefront" for me then?

 

[Jetfire]

It is on YT...that is how I watch it.

 

[Thestral]

Ah!

 

[Jetfire]

I recently watched a Thundercats ep on CN site...but I am not sure how old it was...it was one where Lion-O fought some guy with different swords...he had to win back The Sword Of Omens. Some network sites will have stuff up the next day and others make you wait 4-8 days.

 

[JD]

And are we ever going to find out what the hell that big metal sphere thing is that Superboy's adopted as a pet?

So does this mean Red Tornado has been the mole all along? Am I right that he was a creation of Professor T. O. Morrow? Maybe Morrow had a back door into his programming and has subverted him.

Good question. I was under the impression that this one was supposed to deal with the mole, but the whole thing seemed pretty much unconnected to the whole mole plot. At first I thought the male looking android was supposed to be RT, but then he showed up at the end and appeared to be totally unconnected to the attackers, so I'm still kinda confused by the whole thing. Were they just androids who happened to be the same design as him, or is there supposed to be a connection there?
As for the sphere, I just assumed it was something from the comics I wasn't familiar with.

 

[Christopher]

Spoiler: End of episode

RT was not unconnected to the attackers. When he arrived, he reached out to one of the androids and a spark passed between them. Then the other two androids woke up and all three of them -- including Red Tornado -- attacked the team again. The team woke up to find all three androids gone. So either that spark was the other two androids taking over RT, or, more likely given the timing, RT was the mole all along and he used monitor duty as an excuse to get away before the attack, and then revealed himself once his "siblings" were defeated.

So yeah, I'd say this episode was definitely connected to the mole story arc.

 

[Thestral]

Excellent last couple of episodes. There's definite movement to this plot. I was feeling like Superboy and Miss Martian were getting all the attention (along with Aqualad to a lesser extent) lately, but "Homefront" significantly rectified that.

"The Terror" was interesting in that the actual Young Justice team played very little role. We spent the episode Connor and M'Gann, but the actual focus was one the Ice villains, Waller, and Strange. I'm interested to see where they go with Icicle the Younger - he seems to have inherited some of the ambiguity that occasionally popped up in the Justice Society comics (unless I'm reading this wrong).

"Homefront" was great IMO. I'd been looking forward to seeing more of Robin and Artemis especially. I was hoping we'd have gotten rid of Robin's cute little phrases and it seemed especially jarring when he was playing Batman to Artemis, but w/e. Also interesting to (apparently) see that Artemis is not only not the mole, but really feels pretty fragile about the family thing and wants to prove herself.

Is there a fourth "Red" android connected with Earth I wonder? Also,

Spoiler: SPOILER

it's somewhat unclear to me whether he was the mole all along or has been corrupted by the other Reds. The former is more likely, but the energy jump and his eyes changing makes me wonder

.

Looking ahead at the posted spoilers (I'm weak),

Spoiler: SPOILER

I'm really looking forward to Captain Marvel and how the team responds to him, and Zatanna joining the team? Cool!

 

[Hound of UIster]

Red Volcano
Red Torpedo
Red Inferno
Red Tornado

 

[Crisp Conditions]

I agree with Christopher's analysis of what happened to Red Tornado at the end, it's one of those two possibilities, but it's unclear which one is the case---which is likely intentional.

Spoiler: the mole

Now, couldn't the pet robot ball be the mole, or have some molish malware installed?

 

[Thestral]

Red Volcano
Red Torpedo
Red Inferno
Red Tornado

Ah, thanks!

Spoiler: the mole

Now, couldn't the pet robot ball be the mole, or have some molish malware installed?

Spoiler: the mole

I don't see why not. Indeed, it wasn't until the pet robot ball detached itself from the wall that the Reds reactivated and Artemis' cutting torch thing could activate. Sure, we're supposed to believe the EMP "wore off" but notice how easy it was for the robot ball to remove itself? I dunno... slightly suspicious.

 

[Christopher]

Spoiler: the mole

Now, couldn't the pet robot ball be the mole, or have some molish malware installed?

I thought there was suspicion about a mole in the team before

Spoiler: character

the metal sphere robot

was introduced.

 

[Crisp Conditions]

Spoiler: the mole

Now, couldn't the pet robot ball be the mole, or have some molish malware installed?

I thought there was suspicion about a mole in the team before

Spoiler: character

the metal sphere robot

was introduced.

Spoiler: the mole

I think you're right, but I'd need to rewatch everything, as I'm not sure exactly what was said anymore. I suppose Superboy is a suspect worth considering, although that would be "unthinkable". Maybe he's an unwitting mole though. This could be plausible, given his origin.

 

[Silvercrest]

Spoiler: End of episode

RT was not unconnected to the attackers. When he arrived, he reached out to one of the androids and a spark passed between them. Then the other two androids woke up and all three of them -- including Red Tornado -- attacked the team again. The team woke up to find all three androids gone. So either that spark was the other two androids taking over RT, or, more likely given the timing, RT was the mole all along and he used monitor duty as an excuse to get away before the attack, and then revealed himself once his "siblings" were defeated.

So yeah, I'd say this episode was definitely connected to the mole story arc.

Spoiler: End of episode

Originally I thought the spark was the other androids taking him over, but it seems more likely RT already had mole-ish programming that he didn't know about. That spark was the trigger that jump-started it or allowed it to take him over.

 

[JD]

All of this discussion on here has me really looking forward to seeing where all of this is headed.

 

[Thestral]

Alpha Male was overall a very good episode. I'm really enjoying seeing all the personalities, now that they're well-established, interplaying and reacting in interesting ways. Loved M'Gann and Connor's interplay here, Robin and Kid Flash reacting to Aqualad's holding out when they helped start the whole thing, and Aqualad stepping up and into authority. And it seems that Batman is, in fact, the leader of this Justice League.

Also fun to see more of the Light's plot being put together... though I'm curious what's going on here, was the Brain (what a goofy villain!) just hoping for some random Leaguer to come along? No doubt part of a larger plan and the team stumbled onto something in their recon.

One big problem for me in this episode though, and it may seem minor to others... Captain Marvel. Now don't get me wrong, I was very excited when they said Marvel was gonna be the new team mom. I think Marvel deserves more attention, I thought he was brilliant in the DCAU Justice League episode he got, and I enjoyed him in the Justice Society comics I've read. This is a guy who's able to go toe-to-toe with Superman and is, if anything, even more completely moral.

So having him job for the villain was... well, kinda expected really, the focus is on the young team after all. But the way he did it was dumb (Wisdom of Solomon tells you to run off without mentioning it to your teammate?), and the characterization was, well... this might be the first time I've seen Captain Marvel with the exact same personality as Billy Batson. Do not approve! At first I thought they were going with a slight "hey he's a bit cheesy because he's a bigger boyscout than Superman" and that maybe he was just sitting back to let Aqualad step up into leadership... but no. I'm sorry, again this may be a minor thing to everybody else, but this version of Captain Marvel is disappointing to me.

 

[Crisp Conditions]

Alpha Male was overall a very good episode.

Agreed!

the Brain (what a goofy villain!)

Yeah, I couldn't stop thinking of Bomb Voyage.

well... this might be the first time I've seen Captain Marvel with the exact same personality as Billy Batson.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)#Captain_Marvel_in_the_late_1980s:

Captain Marvel in the late 1980s

The first post-Crisis appearance of Captain Marvel was in the 1986 Legends miniseries. In 1987, Captain Marvel appeared as a member of the Justice League in Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis' relaunch of that title. That same year (spinning-off from Legends), he was also given his own miniseries titled Shazam! The New Beginning. With this four-issue miniseries, writers Roy and Dann Thomas and artist Tom Mandrake attempted to re-launch the Captain Marvel mythos and bring the wizard Shazam, Dr. Sivana, Uncle Dudley, and Black Adam into the modern DC Universe with an altered origin story.

The most notable change that Thomas, Giffen, and DeMatteis introduced into the Captain Marvel mythos was that the personality of young Billy Batson is retained when he transforms into the Captain; this change would remain for most future uses of the character as justification for his sunny, Golden-Age personality in the darker modern-day comic book world instead of the Golden Age depiction which tended to treat Captain Marvel and Billy as two separate personalities.

This revised version of Captain Marvel also appeared in one story-arc featured in the short-lived anthology Action Comics Weekly #623–626 (October 25, 1988 – November 15, 1988). At the end of the arc, it was announced that this would lead to a new Shazam! ongoing series, which failed to materialize.

Works for me. In addition to justifying his "sunny" personality (goofy and perpetually smiling), it differentiates him from Superman. Also, I like how he identifies with the other YJ members.

 

[Santa Kang]

Red Volcano
Red Torpedo
Red Inferno
Red Tornado

Ah, thanks!

I mentioned it first.