You Cheating Bastard!

[RobertScorpio]

So...

You're married, and you and your wife are stationed on DS9. One day, while getting off of work, you go down to Quarks and rent a holosuit. You bring your recently purchased Holoprogram, a totally interactive Angela Jolie. She's waiting for you on a bed...a large king size bed...and she is naked. Fueled by your desire, you climb into bed with her, and make love to this very realistic looking, and more importantly, feeling holocharacter. The next thing you know you're both going at it...and just as you're about to DOT the Is and cross the Ts, you turn around and see your wife standing there....and she doesn't look happy. She has found you with another woman. Sure, its only a holocharacter, but still...are you a cheating bastard???

Now I know that many husbands out there still look at porn, secretly. Or heck, maybe your wife knows and doesn't care. Would having innocent sex with a hologram be the same as getting your jollies with porn.

And flip it around. If you came in and found your significant other boffing Brad Pitt or Alica Keys (oh yeah) woud that irk you off???

Right now, in the real world, you could find your significant other boffing someone, and kill them both, and hire someone like Alan Shore to represent you because it was a crime of passion. Would such a defence hold true if you found them in bed with a hologram???

rob
scorpio

 

[T J]

Even in my head I know I can't cheat with a trick of light my wife would probably flip out in which case drama ensues. Doesn't matter if I think it's cheating, she would.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Even in my head I know I can't cheat with a trick of light my wife would probably flip out in which case drama ensues. Doesn't matter if I think it's cheating, she would.

Then...would you consider her cheating if you caught her boffing a BRAD PITT holgram?

Rob

 

[FrontLine]

Why not just join in or invite your other half to join in? Why get pissed at all?

 

[hellsgate]

The wife would likely prefer to keep things just between her & I. But I love watching, and "sloppy seconds". Especially if there's a more-than-reasonable chance the wife / female holo-character ends up knocked-up.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Why not just join in or invite your other half to join in? Why get pissed at all?

Because what if they don't want to? We all know that men, even married men, sneak on the internet to look at porn. Pornsites, as a whole, are the most frequented sites on the web. So, in the future, I could easily see men sneaking down to the local holosuit and boffing some hologram with out their wife's knowledge of it.

Rob

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I think I would be very angry and disappointed, if my husband cheated on me in that way. That he thought a soulless collection of photons was better than his wife would be a sign to me of a serious problem--and to be blunt, I would probably divorce him just as I would if I caught him cheating with another live woman.

 

[FrontLine]

Why not just join in or invite your other half to join in? Why get pissed at all?

Because what if they don't want to? We all know that men, even married men, sneak on the internet to look at porn. Pornsites, as a whole, are the most frequented sites on the web. So, in the future, I could easily see men sneaking down to the local holosuit and boffing some hologram with out their wife's knowledge of it.

Rob

and women dont do the same thing?

 

[JustKate]

[sarcasm]Gee, what would there be to get upset about? Some people have a issue with their husband or wife, who vowed to love, honor and cherish and to forsake all others, having sex with a fantasy? With that husband or wife preferring that fantasy to the actual person to whom he or she has made a life-time commitment?[/sarcasm]

Come on, it's betrayal - doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman nor who or what it is lying on that holobed. That you can't catch a disease from this form of betrayal, nor produce a child, nor form a lasting relationship, doesn't make it any less of a betrayal. Between a committed couple, sex isn't just sex. It's a whole lot of stuff wrapped up in one package. The second one or both partners start thinking about ways around this - looking for loopholes in "forsaking all others" - they've got problems. Big problems.

 

[Jeri]

I just asked the husband, and he said he doesn't see any difference between porn and holograms. He said the problem comes in where they begin to affect someone's relationship; i.e., addiction or preference to those things over the spouse.

He said that, personally, he'd only be in the holodeck if his wife weren't available for a week or so and that she could come and fetch him from there anytime she were ready.

He usually has good judgment, and I think I don't mind this; I would probably just hum a little tune and go on about my business. These are not the 'droids I'm looking for.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Why not just join in or invite your other half to join in? Why get pissed at all?

Because what if they don't want to? We all know that men, even married men, sneak on the internet to look at porn. Pornsites, as a whole, are the most frequented sites on the web. So, in the future, I could easily see men sneaking down to the local holosuit and boffing some hologram with out their wife's knowledge of it.

Rob

and women dont do the same thing?

yes yes yes...Gee

Rob

 

[JustKate]

Personally, I'd feel betrayed if my significant other was into garden variety porn in a big way, too. The occassional peek at a centerfold is no big deal, but somebody who buys it reads it watches it surfs for it gets INTO it a lot? Nooooooooo.

You may call me prudish, if you want, and to that my answer would be, "Yeah, so what? You say it like that's a bad thing."

 

[captcalhoun]

do you object to your hubby having a tug? hologram sex is just a fancy way of jerking off

 

[Myasishchev]

Variety is the spice of life. By contrast, monotony is the bitter salts of death.

Of course, real life sparring partners ordinarily come with a whole bag of issues that make taking the opportunity to explore new horizons impractical (to say the least). First among those is the semi-biological monogamistic morality that far too many people take for granted and which Trek, perhaps necessarily and also perhaps regrettably, adopted wholesale--in spite of documented "evolution" in all other areas of human fallibility.

Society, and the biology upon which it is built, has developed a number of safeguards to promote the welfare of progeny and to prevent cuckoldry. They exist essentially to protect and encourage the transmission of genes from generation to generation and to neutralize the savage struggle that characterizes that rather necessary project. Unfortunately for its proponents, not one of them rests on a rational basis when dealing with photons and forcefields.

The advent of the holodeck abolishes the biological nonsense of sexuality, transforming procreation into pure recreation. It is practically the pinnacle of the human enterprise, the last step before leaving the animal world fully behind. The violent luddism of the quaint notion that using unfeeling machinery to get off is somehow a breach of the social construct of marriage seems morally repugnant, even emotionally abusive in its application.

Don't date robots? If people can't compete, whose fault is that?

Finally, I posit an outcome that we can all agree on: true monogamy is a difficult proposition for us today, beset by contradictory impulses and temptations galore. But it might finally come to exist with the existence of holodeck porn. There's that abiding fondness called love that doesn't seem to be based totally on the sexual contract. With the infinite possibilities of the holodeck to turn to, there's no need to turn away from love for the prospect of better, newer sex. Why buy a new cow, when you get the milk for free on Deck 10?

 

[JustKate]

Nonsense. Just because something is difficult doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, and that includes monogamy. And if you're "milking other cows," real or holodeck-generated, you're not really being monogamous.

 

[Marie1]

^ I agree. If someone is married, then that's their responsibility to each other. The only way to learn, respect, appreciate, and satisfy each other's needs is if you know them very well, and if you maintain that loyal bond.

And if you really love them enough to go for marriage and all it entails... you don't need another person. You marry your best friend so you have that- that friendship and loyalty even if she's just had a baby and you can't be intimate for while, or whatever the reason is.

And if my husband cheated on me, I'm with NG,... yeah, he'd have a 99.9% chance of being divorced, he can try his luck with the cheater instead if he so desires.

OT, I definitely wouldn't want my mate doing that in a holosuit- lest he forget that its about pleasing each other when you're with someone. Because porn and the like have affected people's marriages. The goal is to marry someone of like mind.

 

[Joemac]

as long as i could have the holosuite next door i'd be okay.whats good for the goose is sauce for the gander. doing it without your other halves ok would be a different matter.Secret sex is wrong. if you know what you're doing will cause your partner pain, wether emotional of physical, it's a violation of trust.

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Seems to me the question isn't so much whether I think it's cheating (I wouldn't, really) but rather whether the wife does (she would)...and whether I'm willing to forgo the pleasure for her sake.

OTOH:

Why not just join in or invite your other half to join in? Why get pissed at all?

"Honey, I rented holograms of Lucy Liu and Bruce Willis for us tonight. That okay with you?"

That girl's a keeper!

 

[Myasishchev]

^ I agree. If someone is married, then that's their responsibility to each other. The only way to learn, respect, appreciate, and satisfy each other's needs is if you know them very well, and if you maintain that loyal bond.

And if you really love them enough to go for marriage and all it entails... you don't need another person.

Precisely. If it's not another person, why be mad? There is no harm; why cry foul?

You marry your best friend so you have that- that friendship and loyalty even if she's just had a baby and you can't be intimate for while, or whatever the reason is.

Post-partum is a separate issue with its own complexities, but it is discrete and cognizable. Whatever the reason, by contrast, is carte blanche language, and carte blanche language is never good. A person has a right to expect that for which they bargained.

And if my husband cheated on me, I'm with NG,... yeah, he'd have a 99.9% chance of being divorced, he can try his luck with the cheater instead if he so desires.

OT, I definitely wouldn't want my mate doing that in a holosuit- lest he forget that its about pleasing each other when you're with someone. Because porn and the like have affected people's marriages.

And preserved others, I don't hesitate to say. But if porn (or a holodeck) can affect a marriage one way or the other, the problems are extrinsic to the porn.

The goal is to marry someone of like mind.

I don't disagree with this. I'm lucky in this regard.

 

[Rii]

It's cheating if your partner thinks it's cheating, not much more to it than that. All boundaries are negotiated boundaries.