Yesterday's Enterprise Episode question

[Christopher]

change in history had turned allies into enemies, with Worf trying to kill people who were his friends in the "right" universe.

Isn't that basically what Regent Worf was doing in the DS9 episodes? Garak may not have been Worf's friend in the RU, but a lot of those other people are.

The point is that it would've served the drama of that particular episode by providing another reason why it was so important to restore the "correct" timeline. That's not an issue in the Mirror Universe stories. Worf's Regency wasn't about exploring the tragedy of the altered circumstances, but about "Wouldn't it be fun to see Worf as a scenery-chewing bad guy?" And about "We're paying Michael Dorn a lot of money to show up every week, so we need to stick him into the MU somewhere."

 

[The Wormhole]

I wonder why they didn't make Worf the commander of one of the BoPs? After all, wouldn't it have been easier to have Dorn record the line "Federation ship Enterprise, surrender and prepare to be boarded," than finding someone else to say that line?

 

[Dream]

I wonder why they didn't make Worf the commander of one of the BoPs? After all, wouldn't it have been easier to have Dorn record the line "Federation ship Enterprise, surrender and prepare to be boarded," than finding someone else to say that line?

So Worf just HAPPENS to be in command of the ships that attack the Enterprise at the end? I have a hard enough time believing the main characters were together in the AU.

I think that would have crossed the line into being too silly. Being too silly was what doomed the writing for all the later MU episodes of DS9.

 

[The Wormhole]

I wonder why they didn't make Worf the commander of one of the BoPs? After all, wouldn't it have been easier to have Dorn record the line "Federation ship Enterprise, surrender and prepare to be boarded," than finding someone else to say that line?

So Worf just HAPPENS to be in command of the ships that attack the Enterprise at the end? I have a hard enough time believing the main characters were together in the AU.

I think that would have crossed the line into being too silly. Being too silly was what doomed the writing for all the later MU episodes of DS9.

Oh, why the hell not? Aside from the ship's counselor, everyone else is on board the Enterprise D, including the teenaged bridge officer and civilian bartender. Worf showing up wouldn't be the ulitmate line that should not be crossed. Beisdes, we get this sort of thing all the time in AU stories.

I doubt anyone cared about presenting an alternate reality as implausible, and from a production viewpoint it must have been esaier to have Dorn record the line instead of finding someone else to do it. Asking why they didn't is perfectly legitimate.

 

[Dream]

Oh, why the hell not? Aside from the ship's counselor, everyone else is on board the Enterprise D, including the teenaged bridge officer and civilian bartender. Worf showing up wouldn't be the ulitmate line that should not be crossed. Beisdes, we get this sort of thing all the time in AU stories.

I doubt anyone cared about presenting an alternate reality as implausible, and from a production viewpoint it must have been esaier to have Dorn record the line instead of finding someone else to do it. Asking why they didn't is perfectly legitimate.

I think the writers realized that Dorn had nothing to do in the episode so they gave Worf that great Prune Juice scene with Guinan that started the episode.

When Worf showed up as one of the bad guys in that MU DS9 episode, I couldn't help but roll my eyes and think of how campy and stupid the MU episodes had become.

Would it have worked? Maybe.

But I was glad they didn't do it.

 

[Kenbushway]

It would've been kind of cool to have Worf be one of the Klingon Commanders attacking the Enterprise at the end.

That happened in DS9, but he wasn't attacking enterprise but the Defiant.

 

[Anwar]

In fact the original script even mentions that, if they wanted, the Klingon voice at the end could be Worf (if that's what they wanted to do).

 

[The Wormhole]

When Worf showed up as one of the bad guys in that MU DS9 episode, I couldn't help but roll my eyes and think of how campy and stupid the MU episodes had become.

Well, I certainly won't deny that Worf being the evil emperor that dragged Garak around on a leash was a bit over the top (as was every woman being a lesbian), the MU always was campy going all the way back to Mirror, Mirror. Officer's worked their way up the ranks by killing their superiors, with those caught for their misdeeds getting brutal punishments. Women basically being the ship's whores. Everyone having their own henchmen. Mirror. Mirror was more camp than it was a profound exploration of characters developing under different circumstances.

 

[Christopher]

^That's basically right. I don't know if I'd call "Mirror, Mirror" camp, but it definitely went for the lurid and melodramatic, embracing broad "evil twin" tropes wholeheartedly (and codifying one, namely the evil-twin goatee). The MU episodes on DS9 largely continued that tradition, but were able to take it further in their era of lesser censorship.

 

[USS KG5]

Would the redesigns affect the hull shape, though? Hulls seem sacrosanct in Trek: ships like Voyager apparently won't move properly unless Kazon suicide boats or the holes left by them are patched up. Redesigning the exterior of a starship might be major work, quite possibly not worth doing for that extra 15% of combat agility or whatnot.

Timo Saloniemi

I'm with Timo on this, I'd always kind of assumed the hull shape was the same, but filled with very different contents.

For example instead of science labs there would be rows of bunks for troops, combat training facilities alongside Holodecks redesigned for troop training more than leisure, and more stock of torpedoes and war materiel.

The hull could have been largely sketched out for years, and the windows etc. left in as they were no particular detriment to combat performance...

 

[YARN]

Suppose Starfleet were winning the war, suppose it was almost over - or suppose that the loss of the C made no large impact on history either way.

Would Picard still be obligated to send her back to her old timeline?

 

[R. Star]

Suppose Starfleet were winning the war, suppose it was almost over - or suppose that the loss of the C made no large impact on history either way.

Would Picard still be obligated to send her back to her old timeline?

Hard to send them back to a death sentence when everything on this side is going well. Picard was already on the fence about that when things were going badly.

 

[DonIago]

Good thing Picard didn't get interviewed by DTI after this incident.

 

[The Wormhole]

Good thing Picard didn't get interviewed by DTI after this incident.

Nothing to interview him about. The DTI can't hold Picard Prime accountable for what an alternate timeline version of himself did. And since alternate Picard was presumably killed, he can't get interviewed by the alternate DTI.

Suppose Starfleet were winning the war, suppose it was almost over - or suppose that the loss of the C made no large impact on history either way.

Would Picard still be obligated to send her back to her old timeline?

Not likely. If there was nothing wrong with the timeline, why alter it. Even if Guinan still sensed the timeline had changed, I doubt she'd want to mess with the timeline that wasn't that bad. And besides, the Bozeman didn't get returned to its original time.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Good thing Picard didn't get interviewed by DTI after this incident.

Maybe he did.

At the very least, the DTI would want to talk to him after word got out about Sela.

 

[Lance]

Good thing Picard didn't get interviewed by DTI after this incident.

Maybe he did.

At the very least, the DTI would want to talk to him after word got out about Sela.

It would be an easy defence though, wouldn't it?

"It wasn't actually me. It was another me. You know, from another reality altogether. Why don't you go ask him what he thought he was up to sending them back?"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The DTI has shielded records which are protected from temporal erasure, so they could actually access data from the timeline that was the alternate one with the Klingon war. They just might ask Picard that very thing.

 

[R. Star]

Good thing Picard didn't get interviewed by DTI after this incident.

Maybe he did.

At the very least, the DTI would want to talk to him after word got out about Sela.

It would be an easy defence though, wouldn't it?

"It wasn't actually me. It was another me. You know, from another reality altogether. Why don't you go ask him what he thought he was up to sending them back?"

This didn't stop Captain Braxton from getting arrested for "crimes you are going to commit" in Relativity.

 

[Christopher]

This didn't stop Captain Braxton from getting arrested for "crimes you are going to commit" in Relativity.

But that wasn't by the (civilian) DTI, but by the Starfleet Temporal Integrity Commission five centuries in the future. In my novel DTI: Watching the Clock, I paint the TIC as coming from a time when the Federation's ethical standards have eroded considerably.

 

[Sector 7]

The DTI has shielded records which are protected from temporal erasure, so they could actually access data from the timeline that was the alternate one with the Klingon war. They just might ask Picard that very thing.

Awww... c'mon... you made that up!